Republican Senators Introduce New Pension Bill

Sign the bill it’s better then nothing I’m tired of forking freight and putting sky lights in the new trailers.
Our yard man will leave and stop watching defects go out the gate.
Sign the dam bill
 
That’s the part I’m wondering about? I’m Central States; 12 yrs an Orphaned Company (Preston), and 10 yrs a non orphaned company (Yellow). Am I going to be totally orphaned, or will it split parts? Either way, getting something guaranteed seems better than never getting anything, IMO. My main concern is- if we are to survive on reduced pay- they need to eliminate Reemployment Rules!!!
Interesting. There must be are a lot of others in the same situation. It makes sense to me that the benefit would be split with liability for the Preston portion going to the Successor Plan and the liability for the Yellow portion staying in the Original Plan. I agree with you on eliminating the Reemployment Rules.
 
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All i read and see is a bunch of smoke I want to see some real numbers thrown out there.What is going to the retirees now how much are going to be cut.I'm from Tennessee and anything Alexander is for is not good for the working men and women. he's union hater.
 
All i read and see is a bunch of smoke I want to see some real numbers thrown out there.What is going to the retirees now how much are going to be cut.I'm from Tennessee and anything Alexander is for is not good for the working men and women. he's union hater.
The proposed numbers for orphans are in it. 56 cents a month times number of years. Up from the now rates of PBGC of 30 cents. Proposed is $1680 a month for 30 years service. $1400 a month for 25 years. Those are cut and dried. The question seems more to be, what about those that are part orphan/part non-orphan.

Try to overlook politics, there will have to be a compromise. The House wont like this, and the Senate will never pass the Butch Lewis Act. To pass, parts will be blended.
 
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Every Representative and Senator I've read responses from has mentioned 4 weeks to get something passed. That leads me to conclude both sides want a Pension Bill attached to the December Must-Pass Continuing Resolution Funding Bill. Much the same as MEPRA passed in 2014. Both sides want this behind them, with Elections 11 months away.
 
Why does the Union allow UPS and Kroger to buy out of the fund? Why is ABF allowed to freeze pension contributions at 2018 rates? Why is YRC allowed to continue paying 25% of 2009 contribution rates? Why are new companies organized not paying into the pension funds only contributing into a 401scam? Why should taxpayers who don't even get a pension have their tax dollars used to bailout your pension? I blame the Union for not doing anything as all these companies closed and went bankrupt the writing was on the wall back in the 80s nothing is done. Can they divert money from overfunded Health and Welfare funds into the pension?
 
Why does the Union allow UPS and Kroger to buy out of the fund? Why is ABF allowed to freeze pension contributions at 2018 rates? Why is YRC allowed to continue paying 25% of 2009 contribution rates? Why are new companies organized not paying into the pension funds only contributing into a 401scam? Why should taxpayers who don't even get a pension have their tax dollars used to bailout your pension? I blame the Union for not doing anything as all these companies closed and went bankrupt the writing was on the wall back in the 80s nothing is done. Can they divert money from overfunded Health and Welfare funds into the pension?
Why would anyone vote to put themselves into a failing pension fund? You would have to be a complete idiot to vote in a contract to put yourself in a pension fund that is on the brink of collapse. Taking money out of our health and welfare funds is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of! Let’s bankrupt the only remaining good bennies we got! Good thinking!!!!
 
Why would anyone vote to put themselves into a failing pension fund? You would have to be a complete idiot to vote in a contract to put yourself in a pension fund that is on the brink of collapse. Taking money out of our health and welfare funds is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of! Let’s bankrupt the only remaining good bennies we got! Good thinking!!!!
Well then who are you kidding thinking the government is going to bailout the funds! Time to end the fund do a payout divided between all the members based on years of service.
 
Well then who are you kidding thinking the government is going to bailout the funds! Time to end the fund do a payout divided between all the members based on years of service.
Did I say the government was going to bail us out? That would be a big NO.
 
Well then who are you kidding thinking the government is going to bailout the funds! Time to end the fund do a payout divided between all the members based on years of service.
It's illegal to do that, unless Congress agrees. Besides, it only comes to about $30,000 per member for a one time payout. Try to live a lifetime on that.
 
Why does the Union allow UPS and Kroger to buy out of the fund? Why is ABF allowed to freeze pension contributions at 2018 rates? Why is YRC allowed to continue paying 25% of 2009 contribution rates? Why are new companies organized not paying into the pension funds only contributing into a 401scam? Why should taxpayers who don't even get a pension have their tax dollars used to bailout your pension? I blame the Union for not doing anything as all these companies closed and went bankrupt the writing was on the wall back in the 80s nothing is done. Can they divert money from overfunded Health and Welfare funds into the pension?

Last I heard, you can't force any company into a pension plan that's underfunded. It would be an automatic impasse during bargaining. They can flat out refuse to do it, and a mediator would back up the refusal, since it's a bad investment.

The only thing keeping current companies in underfunded plans is withdrawal liabilities.

That's also why about the only pension fund adding new shops is western states, which now stretches all the way east to NY and PA, iirc....
 
Last I heard, you can't force any company into a pension plan that's underfunded. It would be an automatic impasse during bargaining. They can flat out refuse to do it, and a mediator would back up the refusal, since it's a bad investment.

The only thing keeping current companies in underfunded plans is withdrawal liabilities.

That's also why about the only pension fund adding new shops is western states, which now stretches all the way east to NY and PA, iirc....
Well then how are these plans going to be fully funded again if you can't get new companies to pay into it? So you expect taxpayers many who don't even get a pension have their tax money be used to bailout the fund that is not right either.
 
Well then how are these plans going to be fully funded again if you can't get new companies to pay into it? So you expect taxpayers many who don't even get a pension have their tax money be used to bailout the fund that is not right either.

It's a vicious cycle with underfunded plans, that's the problem. You literally can't force a company organized today into an underfunded plan. All they have to do is bring up the mandatory contribution increases, along with the withdrawal liability, and the fact that almost certainly most of the competition doesn't offer a pension plan.

Not only that, but do the math on 401k contributions Vs underfunded pensions. You are bucks ahead with the 401k.
 
Well then how are these plans going to be fully funded again if you can't get new companies to pay into it? So you expect taxpayers many who don't even get a pension have their tax money be used to bailout the fund that is not right either.
The government had some responsibility for our funds being underfunded. Do you want your tax money paying for some one who works the system and won’t work, or help a guy who worked all their life with contracted wages going into a pension?
 
The government had some responsibility for our funds being underfunded. Do you want your tax money paying for some one who works the system and won’t work, or help a guy who worked all their life with contracted wages going into a pension?

I agree with that, in 1980 every single ibt member, current or future, was stabbed in the back.

But they still Won't stop doling out endless foreign aid....
 
The government had some responsibility for our funds being underfunded. Do you want your tax money paying for some one who works the system and won’t work, or help a guy who worked all their life with contracted wages going into a pension?
So who's at fault for the govt getting involved in the CSPF. Lets cut to the chase here. Now you have companies hat are only paying 25% and another freezing there amount in the latest contract. Right now the Teamster are not making any attempt to help themselves so why should the taxpayer
 
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