New Penn | SAIA LTL FREIGHT

[runawaytrain]

SAIA has plenty of Ex-Teamsters and they are scattered all over the U.S. Granted they may not be their first choice but we do hire them. To say there is a conspiracy would simply be unfair. Each case is different and each driver is different. SAIA has a few of your former managers that may recognize some trouble makers and “salt” for that matter. I really think it depends on how the interview goes with the TM after the recruiter sets things up. SAIA does hire former Teamsters and that’s the truth. Can’t speak about those guys you know. I can say that it’s highly unlikely they came out and said that we don’t hire former Teamsters. Your guys probably just assumed that since they didn’t make the cut. Lots of things in this world aren’t fair Slave and we must learn to accept that or spend our time fighting every unjust cause in vain in most cases. Life is too short for that. You seem to have it made where you’re at. Not perfect but acceptable. Nothing is perfect so just ride out the storm. Things will get better. Trump can’t fix thing overnight. Stop burning yourself out trying to change everything that’s seems unfair. Accept the fact that something’s will never change. You sort of remind me of an activist fighting for things that will never change. Just say it and go fishing. Peace of mind is the only thing you truly need.

Slave, I’m not here to turn this thread into a union vs non-union thread. I’m just stating the way things are at SAIA. I understand the culture here and “it is what it is” and you can’t change it. You can only accept it. There are good and bad on both sides of this argument. I understand how passionate you are on this subject and I understand your side. I understand your views on religion and politics because I’ve read enough of your post. I won’t get into a pissing contest with you. We could never agree on many issues. All I’m truly saying is sometimes you must just accept things as they are. Because no amount of bitching and complaining will change anything. Whether it’s New Penn or SAIA let’s just agree to let the sleeping dogs lie. We are just a small fish in a big pond and ultimately insignificant. In the final analysis and to sum up my point let me say this. No matter how much loyalty you show any company or organization such as the Teamsters just know your place. If you become any sort of liability you will be dismissed in the blink of an eye. Know your place Slave. Just know your place. It’s a dog eat dog world and take no prisoners world and in the end it’s every man for himself. Don’t be blindsided when you get thrown under the bus by something or someone that you thought had your back.

 

[troubleman84]

You must remember that those pay grades are given out after years of service. Today you start by loading package cars for years then move into a package car for years. Serious dues to pay with back breaking work to ever get those jobs. Seniority gets those feeder jobs at UPS. Most simply can’t hang on that long.

Depends on the hub. Columbia SC sir hub is begging for feeders team and solo. A lot from package won’t switch to feeders due to nights and lose bidding seniority when switching classification.

 

[runawaytrain]

Depends on the hub. Columbia SC sir hub is begging for feeders team and solo. A lot from package won’t switch to feeders due to nights and lose bidding seniority when switching classification.

It’s all about working days for most. It’s not always about money. It’s about being happy and having a life. I understand what your saying but in Dallas things are completely different. You pay serious dues to get those jobs.

 

[Gto561]

Not that I care what SAIA does or what their hiring policies are but there does seem to be something to their “no teamsters policy” when they opened in New Jersey one of our very good drivers applied who I thought was a very good candidate and would easily be hired and was told by our former operations manager who became TM at SAIA NJ he would love to bring him over but no Teamsters could be hired.
When SAIA was in the planning stages of the expansion I was told by a Teamster Bussiness Agent that he had a conversation with a former New Penn VP who went to SAIA that some locals were gearing up to attempt to unionize SAIA that former VP became some type of regional manager at SAIA, so perhaps that is why they put a no teamster policy in place.

definitely sounds like Newton to me

 

[seabreeze]

Slave, I’m not here to turn this thread into a union vs non-union thread. I’m just stating the way things are at SAIA. I understand the culture here and “it is what it is” and you can’t change it. You can only accept it. There are good and bad on both sides of this argument. I understand how passionate you are on this subject and I understand your side. I understand your views on religion and politics because I’ve read enough of your post. I won’t get into a pissing contest with you. We could never agree on many issues. All I’m truly saying is sometimes you must just accept things as they are. Because no amount of bitching and complaining will change anything. Whether it’s New Penn or SAIA let’s just agree to let the sleeping dogs lie. We are just a small fish in a big pond and ultimately insignificant. In the final analysis and to sum up my point let me say this. No matter how much loyalty you show any company or organization such as the Teamsters just know your place. If you become any sort of liability you will be dismissed in the blink of an eye. Know your place Slave. Just know your place. It’s a dog eat dog world and take no prisoners world and in the end it’s every man for himself. Don’t be blindsided when you get thrown under the bus by something or someone that you thought had your back.

Train, you know the old saying, opinions are like buttholes, I just wonder where trucking would be today, if back in the 50s
we had your "must accept things as they are, let sleeping dogs lie attitude?" Guess we just didn't know our place.

 

[runawaytrain]

It's dog-eat-dog because we have allowed it to become that way.....and the more people thought that way....the more we ended up right where we are..
Bringing SAIA into a New Penn thread automatically made it a union vs nonunion thread...All of our terminals are in closed shop states.
SAIA has your back even less than the Teamsters have ours.
And having more and more companies like SAIA around makes it very difficult for us to have each others backs.
Our dues go to lobbies so that we can continue having a union.....and as more companies come in....more of our politicians take the companies filthy money and start working for them....and working for them doesn't always work out so great for us....they've been doing it for decades now since deregulation....and realistically look at what has happened to our government and our workforces......nothing any good for us....plenty good for Wall street...and the banks...and the politicians who take their money....but not for the rest of us.....they hook you slowly on the nonunion dope....a little bit here and a little bit there and you feel a little good....and more and more and more......until it totally takes you over and does whatever it wants with you...making you sick and changing how you think about everything.......When they finally wipe us out...we'll find out how really good it was for us...So far the numbers aren't good for the junk.......driver shortage....nobody wants to do it...pensions gone...debt in our companies.debt in our families..debt in our cities...debt in our states.....whilst the top has no problems at all.

Our line drivers can make 100K+ a year or more. City can be around 80K depending on how many hours you want to work. Not bad for a blue collar worker. If you wanted big money you should have stayed in college or just been more aggressive. Don’t blame the man. Blame yourself. The money is there for everyone to take if your aggressive in nature. Stop blaming the government for everything. Most millionaires started with nothing. You have such a victimized mentality.

 

[runawaytrain]

The theories ain't working anymore.......the college thing....the economic theory of supply and demand that we were fed.....did wages go up during the driver shortage?
Looks like a lot of people fell victim to another lying theory designed by and for the top.
I wouldn't be able to live with myself if making my millions meant taking the wages down on 20,000 hardworking people.....nor would I if I highjacked their governments with my profits just so I could have more whilst taking even more than I already did, by busting their unions.
Money's not everything......we should make more....but not enough to sell our souls to Hell for.

Cry me a river Slave. Go cry to Hoffa for presenting you that last contract. You bought it hook, line and sinker and then voted on it. Do you really think things will be different this next time around? They may make some concessions but it won’t be enough. And will you have enough balls to strike? Not likely because that would seal your fate when all the competition grabs up your freight. Face it Slave, your screwed either way. And most of the blame is on your beloved Hoffa. Not the government. Try and sell your conspiracy theories to those that refuse to stand their ground.

 

[runawaytrain]

Train, you know the old saying, opinions are like buttholes, I just wonder where trucking would be today, if back in the 50s
we had your "must accept things as they are, let sleeping dogs lie attitude?" Guess we just didn't know our place.

Hoffa Jr. sold you out. You have no choice but to accept things as they are. Breeze you need to stop living in the past. Junior is not his Daddy. The glory days are long long gone. This is 2018 and it might pay you to remember that.

 

[runawaytrain]

There's reasons why we exist....and when you nonunion people following the corporate ideology get your way.....the reasons will most probably return.
The little number of us left are stopping that imo...and when we decide to quit stopping it or your corporate and investor leaders decide they are tired of waiting and stop us from being able to stop it....eventually it will come again.

New Penn has always been a contradiction to the lie that unions destroy companies....it wasn't us who brought us here...but it is us who helped them stick around a little longer...even though it is a lousy situation. And take note that I said we are in only closed shop states....no scabs who don't pay dues are here like in right-to-work states....so that is not a necessary requirement to be successful in business.

Slave this is the bottom line. This industry is predominantly non-union for a reason. The Teamsters have failed as an organization. Poor leadership at the top has led to their demise. They have sold the members out and it hasn’t went unnoticed. It’s hard to sell a defective product. All the corruption and mismanagement throughout the years has finally taken it’s toll. When their campaign was lost at FedEx their fate was sealed in LTL. They will never gain another major LTL player.

 

[seabreeze]

Hoffa Jr. sold you out. You have no choice but to accept things as they are. Breeze you need to stop living in the past. Junior is not his Daddy. The glory days are long long gone. This is 2018 and it might pay you to remember that.

Not sure how Jr sold me out, I was retired 9 yrs before he was elected, our choice was not to accept things as they were.
That's why you can live the present as you do now.
I do remember this is 2018, I have not missed a check in 28 yrs, I hope in your glory years, you can look back and say the same.
But you need to stop blowing those stop signs!

 

[runawaytrain]

Not sure how Jr sold me out, I was retired 9 yrs before he was elected, our choice was not to accept things as they were.
That's why you can live the present as you do now.
I do remember this is 2018, I have not missed a check in 28 yrs, I hope in your glory years, you can look back and say the same.
But you need to stop blowing those stop signs!

Perhaps they didn’t sell you out personally. It was the ones that came after you. As far as the stop signs you are correct. I will retire this year with my IRA and my wife’s 401K and I’m very certain I won’t run out of money before my death.

 

[seabreeze]

Perhaps they didn’t sell you out personally. It was the ones that came after you. As far as the stop signs you are correct. I will retire this year with my IRA and my wife’s 401K and I’m very certain I won’t run out of money before my death.

I'm not sure of that if you don't leave your wife's money alone.

 

[runawaytrain]

I'm not sure of that if you don't leave your wife's money alone.

Not sure if you have children but let me ask you this. When you die will your children get your pension? I think we both know the answer to that question.

 

[seabreeze]

Not sure if you have children but let me ask you this. When you die will your children get your pension? I think we both know the answer to that question.

Nope, will yours?
Mine and my grandkids will be a whole lot better off money wise, when I die.
I'm just going to be extra careful at stop signs, if I'm in Texas.
Train, I was very wise, I started out with nothing, and today I still have most of it left.
Oh, and quit bothering me, I'm trying to catch a nap.
How's the weather in Tex. it's cold as a well diggers fanny here on this barrier island off the Carolinas, 29 deg.

 

[runawaytrain]

Nope, will yours?
Mine and my grandkids will be a whole lot better off money wise, when I die.
I'm just going to be extra careful at stop signs, if I'm in Texas.
Train, I was very wise, I started out with nothing, and today I still have most of it left.
Oh, and quit bothering me, I'm trying to catch a nap.
How's the weather in Tex. it's cold as a well diggers fanny here on this barrier island off the Carolinas, 29 deg.

The point was when you die your pension stops. A 401K or IRA is included in the estate. Ok, I will stop harassing you. LOL!!! Beautiful day in Texas!!! 63 degrees and not a cloud in the sky. The upside of Texas is mild winters. The downside is hot ass summers. You got the beauty of the Carolinas which I suppose is a trade off. California is great but the cost of living is horrid but I can do those California rolling stop signs with no consequences.

 

[seabreeze]

The point was when you die your pension stops. A 401K or IRA is included in the estate. Ok, I will stop harassing you. LOL!!! Beautiful day in Texas!!! 63 degrees and not a cloud in the sky. The upside of Texas is mild winters. The downside is hot ass summers. You got the beauty of the Carolinas which I suppose is a trade off. California is great but the cost of living is horrid but I can do those California stop signs with no consequences.

Has been unusual cold last week, 15 is really cold for us, 2 in sleet won't melt, paralyzes the sunshine drivers.

 

[runawaytrain]

Has been unusual cold last week, 15 is really cold for us, 2 in sleet won't melt, paralyzes the sunshine drivers.

It was in the 20’s last week but it only lasted a few days. Hardly ever snows here but we can get some occasional black ice from time to time. Us Texans can’t drive worth a :: in ice. We like to run stop signs too.

 

[runawaytrain]

The nonunion side sells defective products on a constant basis.

The industry sucks for that very same reason and so to does the nation.
Every day is a new day RAT. Nothing needs to be seen thru the same old glasses. Today a group from FEDEX could start to get inspired to join again...same with XPO>...maybe at SAIA too....and some day a group within our organization may get inspired to push in different directions than we have....Hoffa only won due to the Canadian vote,,,,He lost the American vote. We were told that FEDEX guys would never even think of vote to join....and Charlotte,the state with the lowest union numbers, of all places voted and joined.....amongst other places.....
Ya never know what's gonna happen. The country is divided...Yes Hoffa jr has failed.....but he won't live forever...and he might not be President forever........nobody thought the nation would put Trump in....yet they did....extreme times bring unexpected results.
Your way is no good to me even if I make minimum wage and you make 100k...............I've worked your jobs and they are the most uncomfortable jobs to rely on for your bread and butter...they make dog-eat-dog....and why would you even give a thought to wanting that every day of your life.
It isn't great now.....but I was raised in right and wrong ways to think....and your way is the way which has us in a debt which can't be paid back...not here at YRC...and not the national debt either......because the top doesn't care about anything but making sure their pockets are filled...it doesn't matter if they destroy a town or a state or a county or a nation or a company.they take in the debt, pull out what they can from it and make everybody work even harder than before just to survive.....if that is supported, I don't understand why we would even want a nation at all..........just steal each others stuff and not care. why have laws?
If workers can't stick together....than eventually the nation won't either....and it is happening.

Slave I want you to understand something. If I could have a union like it was back in the day I would jump on board. But not the way things are today. One more thing. You take the bait way too easy.

 

[slavenomore]

Cry me a river Slave. Go cry to Hoffa for presenting you that last contract. You bought it hook, line and sinker and then voted on it. Do you really think things will be different this next time around? They may make some concessions but it won’t be enough. And will you have enough balls to strike? Not likely because that would seal your fate when all the competition grabs up your freight. Face it Slave, your screwed either way. And most of the blame is on your beloved Hoffa. Not the government. Try and sell your conspiracy theories to those that refuse to stand their ground.

I voted yes to stay together.And some guys got to finish their career here..I didn't vote yes the first time or 2.
Once it's over here....the other companies aren't gonna be worth working at anyways.
I'm not crying. What for?
I'm just telling my opinion.
I'm not happy at all with concessions... but good comes from a lot of different things.
It isn't great union days like the 50's.
It is what it is...but we are necessary..or most probably all hell breaks loose eventually if we are gone...could be soon after...could be 2, 3, 5, 10, 20 years....but it will happen. Dog-eat-dog is no good.
We exist for a reason. And the reason is not on the wrong side....but the right side.
People sacrificed for the working people in different ways years ago.....but sometimes sacrifice is necessary to survive.
We are still here.. I'm not in jail because I worked for or with some punk at one of your great jobs who drove me to the limit and pushed me over what my patience could handle to make a living......which could happen to a lot of our guys.
Do we have a great union or great union job? No......but we are still together.

These are written as moral laws in the Catholic Church...and they are not supposed to change.
We stand on the right side of history however it turns out. There are always heavy prices to pay by not following them...wether somebody chooses to believe them or not...they are truth. There's a few more of them relating to unions and their importance and the correct ways to view us and treat us....and there is also guidance as to us avoiding socialists which we have not....prices to be paid.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xi...nts/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html
http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedi...ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate.html

 

[runawaytrain]