Saving America's Pension Plans Is A Rare Chance For Bipartisan Accomplishment | Opinion

Th Constitution,...as written,....never provided for Social Security of Medicare either........Yet, I will bet the Proverbial dollars to Doughnuts,....that many Constitutional Scholars will take both the Social Security check....and the free Medicare.....
SS was passed in 1935. The case as to whether it was Constitutional came to SCOTUS in 1937. The Helvering vs Davis decision found that it was Constitutional, only because it was collected as a Tax, and sent directly into the General Fund, not for any specific cause, but for the funding of whatever Congress decided to fund.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvering_v._Davis

We, as voters, make our case to our representatives as to our views/morality. That’s the 1st Amendment, Redress of Grievance. Once Congress decides, we live with those laws, or organize a campaign to change the law.... Just as The Butch Davis Proposal. We make our voices heard for or against now, and let Congress decide our fate. Again, it’s only my opinion, but I expect- IF, Anything is done, it’ll be a Bailout of the PBGC, not or making us whole. And, personally, I don’t understand why canary and Crystal are so involved in this one. Both of your funds don’t qualify for the Grants. This Proposal seems almost custom designed for only the CSPF, per the Pension Rights Center.
 
Pinochio, your nose is growing. The Sermon is to instruct us personally to live as we wish to be treated. It had nothing to do with Government, or instructing us to vote for laws where we give Government authority to seize the property of others and redistribute it to those we like more. That’s Marxist/ Fabian Socialism- the complete opposite of of Christianity. Collectivism saves no one. Ceding our personal responsibility to Government saves no one.

Jesus said that Everyone is to personally Give their own personal Charity to the Poor. Not the Wealthy, not the Workers, not the Poor- but Everyone. Out of their own pocket, their own time, their own effort, their own actions. No one is exempt, no one gets credit for voting for government to do what is given to them personally, to do. What we do Sincerely is seen in heaven, as opposed to what we Say we do.


Ahh.........and where does the quote:” It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to attain Heaven...” figure in that dichotomy?

Almost sounds like Jesus thought it was a....crime....to be wealthy.....
Certainly not Heaven-worthy......

We’re getting off-topic though. My point was,......will people who consider the Butch Lewis Act a bailout,......refuse to accept “bailout” money as a matter of principle?

Part of our wages were deferred into the pension plans,....same as part of our wages are deferred into Social Security and Medicare....

I’d sure be angry if someone cut my Social Security 30%.......because of......”market conditions “.....

I’d spend the rest of my life trying to get my.......deferred wages.....back.

I think we’re owed that pension money. I think H.R. 397 is merely a vehicle to restore what I was promised......and had my wages deferred to.......

We could’ve negotiated all of that money to be paid to us directly.......and retirement would’ve been a personal responsibility.

Of course, if you think the Butch Lewis Act is a bailout......and your strict Constitutional principles keep you from accepting a.....”handout”.........that would be your purview......

“Pinocchio “........Nice.......I’m too old to do name-calling.....tires me out.....
 
I don’t understand why canary and Crystal are so involved in this one. Both of your funds don’t qualify for the Grants.
I'm interested because it involves union pension funds. It was our MEPFs and the NMFA that attracted many of my co-workers to join the Teamsters. I believe in unions and even though our NMFA is dead thanks to Hoffa and Hall other unions may rebound if the pension issue is resolved
 
Where did you get the idea that I wanted to leave? I love my country. I'm 72 years old and far from in good health. Where else would I find better health care than right where I'm at? My concern is for younger generations. I was all for Trump's repeal and replace promise. As for the Butch Lewis Act being a bailout I'm all for it. 264 members in the house voted for it. I'm of the opinion that they would know much better than this idiot if it is unconstitutional or not.That 264 includes 29 republicans including Pete King of NY who I highly respect.
Your the one bitching about our government and how the founding fathers made it. Not me. I love my country.
 
Your the one bitching about our government and how the founding fathers made it. Not me. I love my country.
You're a bit much with the bitching comment. Where did I bitch about the government and the founding fathers? jimmy g brought up the constitution and it snowballed from there. I also love my country but I'm a realist. My vote means nothing. If my thinking that a document written by wise men 230 years ago doesn't work in every situation today makes me an idiot then so be it. But I'm not going anywhere
 
You're a bit much with the bitching comment. Where did I bitch about the government and the founding fathers? jimmy g brought up the constitution and it snowballed from there. I also love my country but I'm a realist. My vote means nothing. If my thinking that a document written by wise men 230 years ago doesn't work in every situation today makes me an idiot then so be it. But I'm not going anywhere
You was complaining about the electoral college! That’s where!
 
I'm interested because it involves union pension funds. It was our MEPFs and the NMFA that attracted many of my co-workers to join the Teamsters. I believe in unions and even though our NMFA is dead thanks to Hoffa and Hall other unions may rebound if the pension issue is resolved
The only reason most (including me!) joined the Teamsters was for the Pension. I disagree with them ever rebounding, but it’s a nice thought.
 
You're a bit much with the bitching comment. Where did I bitch about the government and the founding fathers? jimmy g brought up the constitution and it snowballed from there. I also love my country but I'm a realist. My vote means nothing. If my thinking that a document written by wise men 230 years ago doesn't work in every situation today makes me an idiot then so be it. But I'm not going anywhere
IMO, for what it’s worth- the reason it doesn’t work, is because we’ve quit following it over the past 100 years. Congress has ceded most of its duties/responsibilities to Bureaucracies and Judges, and the 16th and 17th Amendments changed our Constitutional Republic to being a quasi-Democracy. Education has changed thinking into thinking we were/are a Democracy, and we never were supposed to be.
 
Ahh.........and where does the quote:” It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to attain Heaven...” figure in that dichotomy?

Almost sounds like Jesus thought it was a....crime....to be wealthy.....
Certainly not Heaven-worthy......
Nothing to do with monetary wealth. It’s what they do with it/ how they use it. Same as you and I, and the Poor. Some wealthy are greedy, so are some of us, and some of the Poor are just as greedy as those wealthy you despise. You like to throw around the Sermon on the Mount- one part was not to LOVE money. Instead, Love sharing it to help others thru personal charity, and not by avoiding it by saying it’s Government’s job.
 
The only reason most (including me!) joined the Teamsters was for the Pension. I disagree with them ever rebounding, but it’s a nice thought.
You misunderstood I meant other unions who's funds may benefit from the Butch Lewis Act. I know the Teamsters will never sign another freight company that would join our pension funds. Hoffa and Hall saw to that when they gave UPSF a stand alone contract
 
You was complaining about the electoral college! That’s where!
You see that's where you are wrong I wasn't complaining about the electoral college. Read my post again
How is my knowing the constitution going to change anything? I'm part of the problem you say? Which problem is that? The problem of failing pension funds? The problem of a $23 trillion debt? The problem of the growing health care and prescription drug crises? Yes I'm uneducated but how will my knowing the constitution change anything? Sure I can go to the polls and vote. How will that change anything? The game is rigged. That witch Rodham Clinton got 2.9 million more votes than Trump and fortunately still isn't the president. The people had spoken but the constitution was followed I guess.
I'm happy Clinton lost, I despise the woman. I voted for Trump. I have only voted for 1 democrat in a presidential election and that was Obama's second term. I couldn't in good conscience vote for Bain Capital's Romney. So with my record of voting republican and the problems I mentioned above tell me how my ignorance of the constitution is part of the problem? I didn't attack the electoral college. My point was that my vote and those 2.9 million extras who voted for crooked Hillary changed nothing................Come on and be my baby sitter. It will enlighten me more than reading the constitution. Show me where I'm part of the problem. Show me how I can help make things better.
 
Show me where I'm part of the problem. Show me how I can help make things better.
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Our nation was founded on and prospered on a Foundation of Biblical Principles, and a Combination of our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. You are actually pretty Representative of most of our Citizens when you say you dont know nor care ::shit:: about either. In actuality- that's exactly why it no longer works. How can it work if we no longer care to find out what we should be doing????? That doesnt make YOU the problem. It makes 90% of all America , 95% of Republicans in Congress, and 100% of current Democrats in Congress, the problem..... about all it leaves, is the Freedom Caucus to get it right.
 
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You see that's where you are wrong I wasn't complaining about the electoral college. Read my post again

I'm happy Clinton lost, I despise the woman. I voted for Trump. I have only voted for 1 democrat in a presidential election and that was Obama's second term. I couldn't in good conscience vote for Bain Capital's Romney. So with my record of voting republican and the problems I mentioned above tell me how my ignorance of the constitution is part of the problem? I didn't attack the electoral college. My point was that my vote and those 2.9 million extras who voted for crooked Hillary changed nothing................Come on and be my baby sitter. It will enlighten me more than reading the constitution. Show me where I'm part of the problem. Show me how I can help make things better.
I’m not telling you again I’m not being your babysitter. Lack of knowledge is ignorance. That’s why this country is going to crap! You’re part of the problem! Done talking to you if the lack of knowledge of our constitution is a part of pride in your world. The lack of math skills and American history is astounding in this country.
 
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Let me get this straight. You claim I'm part of the problem and an idiot but you refuse to back it up. You're not my babysitter. Well bless your heart.
You Trump Chumps are a big part of Today,s problem. I never would have dreamed that You of all people on this site, That You would be a republican. Most of Your posts have made sense until now. Boy am I disappointed!
 
You Trump Chumps are a big part of Today,s problem. I never would have dreamed that You of all people on this site, That You would be a republican. Most of Your posts have made sense until now. Boy am I disappointed!
I never intended on making this thread political. I respect jimmy g as a poster even though I rarely give him likes. Have no fear I'm not as you called me a "Trump Chump" I'm not happy with Trump or McConnell. I only voted for him as being the lesser of the 2 evils. I didn't trust Rodham Clinton and S. Carolina doesn't allow write in candidates on the ballot. So I figured what the hell I'll give Trump the vote. It meant nothing since S.C. is a red state. I'm a registered democrat but so far none of the candidates impress me. If the election was today I'd probably stay home........................IMO presidential elections are more of a personality contest. It's who's promises do you want to believe.
 
You Trump Chumps are a big part of Today,s problem. I never would have dreamed that You of all people on this site, That You would be a republican. Most of Your posts have made sense until now. Boy am I disappointed!
I know a Teamsters Local President who is a Republican. What’s the Problem? More than half the Indiana Teamsters are Republicans. And Trump is Repub in Name Only. I call him Democrat Donald....
 
I never intended on making this thread political. I respect jimmy g as a poster even though I rarely give him likes. Have no fear I'm not as you called me a "Trump Chump" I'm not happy with Trump or McConnell. I only voted for him as being the lesser of the 2 evils. I didn't trust Rodham Clinton and S. Carolina doesn't allow write in candidates on the ballot. So I figured what the hell I'll give Trump the vote. It meant nothing since S.C. is a red state. I'm a registered democrat but so far none of the candidates impress me. If the election was today I'd probably stay home........................IMO presidential elections are more of a personality contest. It's who's promises do you want to believe.
Actually, you voted Repub more than I have. I voted straight Repub from 1972-2000, but felt betrayed by Bush43 as he increased spending and was lax on the border, so I voted Constitution Party in 2004. In 2008, there was no way I could vote for Juan “Cross-the-aisle” McCain, so, again it voted Constitution Party. In 2012, I actually called the GOP HQ and asked why was the GOP running a Dem (Romney)? I voted for my dog Zeus that year. Then, in 16, I swore I wouldn’t vote Trump- but did- because , somehow, anyhow, Hillary Had to be stopped! The nation couldn’t survive a 3rd Obama Term of corrupt Marxism. Trump has pleasantly surprised me, and become the Best US Prez since Reagan. By the way- I believe Trump would sign the Lewis Bill you want- if it passes...
 
You Trump Chumps are a big part of Today,s problem. I never would have dreamed that You of all people on this site, That You would be a republican. Most of Your posts have made sense until now. Boy am I disappointed!
What has the democrats done? Signed deregulation into law, Jimmy Carter. Signed in NAFTA, Clinton. Signed the Omibus in 2014 which opened our pension into being cut, Obama. All great pro worker labor moves?
 
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