TForce | So is arbitration still set for may the 5th 2011?

[snoop a loop]

Ok I know arbitration is less than a month away,but my question is who will be affected if the arbitrator favors us the employees and says no more contractors, since its a greivance being heard out of texas will it affect the whole system or only texas ?

 

[Skeeter]

Ok I know arbitration is less than a month away,but my question is who will be affected if the arbitrator favors us the employees and says no more contractors, since its a greivance being heard out of texas will it affect the whole system or only texas ?

It will affect the whole system. However, there will always be contractors.

 

[theoriginalwebidiot]

unless there is a meeting of the minds, thats right you have to have to mind to begin with, I mean when the brown union bought and paid for by ups agrees.

 

[snoop a loop]

so if it affects the whole system then wouldnt it possibly create road positions

 

[Diesel Smoke]

Are we talking about contract negotiations for the next contract?

 

[Roadrunner73]

Are we talking about contract negotiations for the next contract?

No we are talking about the grievance filed about contractors working while UPSF drivers sit at home.

 

[Diesel Smoke]

No we are talking about the grievance filed about contractors working while UPSF drivers sit at home.

You mean grievances actually get filed at your barn? I thought they went directly into the trashcan like they do here.

 

[theoriginalwebidiot]

it is still not clear if the language in the grievance for subcontracting will just be for dallas or will it apply to all terminals. you can thank the brown union for all this stalling and uncertainty and playing fast and loose with our jobs.

 

[snoop a loop]

the reason im asking is i talked to my terminal manager and he said that if whatever goes through next month and he wouldnt say what it was ,that he would be advised to take on 10 rddr immediately and he left it at that i tried to ask him what it was but he said he wasnt at liberty to say so im guessing its the arbitration i would think?????

 

[Silverhawk1]

it is still not clear if the language in the grievance for subcontracting will just be for dallas or will it apply to all terminals. you can thank the brown union for all this stalling and uncertainty and playing fast and loose with our jobs.

Come on... What ever happened to ‘One company’, ‘One contract’... “United as One” We should all be on the same page for peat sakes! Better yet... Lets all just flipping move to Texas and succeed from the Union and start our own damn Country...

 

[Skeeter]

the reason im asking is i talked to my terminal manager and he said that if whatever goes through next month and he wouldnt say what it was ,that he would be advised to take on 10 rddr immediately and he left it at that i tried to ask him what it was but he said he wasnt at liberty to say so im guessing its the arbitration i would think?????

Yes, Snoop that is what your manager is referring to without committing himself.

 

[Overnite]

arbitration is not set, this is the latest deadline the the company and union has agreed on, as of right now the ball is in the companies hands there have been offers and counter offers, the last counter offer was made by the union and the company has until may 5, to accept or deny if the company denies the union "reserves the right" to send the case to arbitration, which will never happen the becuase the union does not want to fight ups becuase

1. we don't force them to
2. don't forget ups gave the union 6 billion dollars right before our contract there not gonna bite the hand that feeds them.

If we do win the grievance don't expect a bunch of runs to be added, the company considers a road driver working the dock not laid off and as long as a road driver is not laid off the contract allows the use of contractors.

If we lose the grievance the company will see that as justification to expand contracting.

The union is not gonna fight ups becuase they lose on either outcome the best thing they can do is delay, if the union pushes for the grievance to go to arbitration and they lose even more employees will say the union is worthless and possibly withdraw and the union can writeoff trying to organize fedex, if they push to go to arbitration and win ups will then start to play real hardball with them. They lose either way. The only thing they can do is delay.

 

[Silverhawk1]

The 6 billion was what UPS had to pay to withdraw the UPS small pack employees from the Central States Pension Fund. And if I am not mistaken, UPS had to put a similar amount into the UPS Pension Fund to fully fund it when those employees transferred into that Pension Fund.

 

[snoop a loop]

thanks for the help gentlemen, ONLY TIME WILL TELL