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Has anyone from the ABF Side. Had a chance to pull up and look over TForce Freight. New Contract offer. im curious to how it compares to ABF New Contract ..
 
Triplex said:
Why aren't ABF and TForce at the same pay rate as UPS for doing exactly the same work?
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UPS=158.63 billion US
Market capitalization

Arcbest=2.68 billion US
Market capitalization

TFI =13.94 billion Canadian
Market capitalization.

Because they are not even a tenth the size of UPS combined…??!!!
 
T Force Driver said:
UPS=158.63 billion US
Market capitalization

Arcbest=2.68 billion US
Market capitalization

TFI =13.94 billion Canadian
Market capitalization.

Because they are not even a tenth the size of UPS combined…??!!!
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So then you're saying that payrates are proportional to Market Cap, right? Than Yellow should be allowed to pay a lower rate since their Market Cap is lower than all three. Your logic, correct? Or is there a little hypocrisy going on here?
 
Triplex said:
Why aren't ABF and TForce at the same pay rate as UPS for doing exactly the same work?
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We were told when we were UPS freight that our trailers were only generating under 5 thousand and package was generating 100 thousand plus!

And we were also told that we would never see the compensation package that small pack had! Said keep dreaming!
 
Triplex said:
Why aren't ABF and TForce at the same pay rate as UPS for doing exactly the same work?
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Not wanting to argue with you Tri, but you and I both know that small package and LTL are not the same work. And, you and I both know that each of the three companies you mentioned and Yellow are all under separate contracts that have clarified language, start dates and an end date. If Yellow and the Teamsters can come to an agreement re-negotiating your current contract to be voted on by the Yellow membership, then so be it. It is not starting out good with Hawkins already back tracking on the wage bump he claimed was offered last week. Hawkins just made himself out to be a liar and a POS in my book by doing that. I truly do hope that Yellow can survive and keep all of its employees working, but healthcare coverage is a must in my book. I just don’t see it happening with Hawkins being a Snake Oil salesman whose words and actions apparently are nothing more than BS!!!
 
Steward of the Rock said:
Not wanting to argue with you Tri, but you and I both know that small package and LTL are not the same work. And, you and I both know that each of the three companies you mentioned and Yellow are all under separate contracts that have clarified language, start dates and an end date. If Yellow and the Teamsters can come to an agreement re-negotiating your current contract to be voted on by the Yellow membership, then so be it. It is not starting out good with Hawkins already back tracking on the wage bump he claimed was offered last week. Hawkins just made himself out to be a liar and a POS in my book by doing that. I truly do hope that Yellow can survive and keep all of its employees working, but healthcare coverage is a must in my book. I just don’t see it happening with Hawkins being a Snake Oil salesman whose words and actions apparently are nothing more than BS!!!
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SOR, not indending to argue, I just brought this up as a rhetorical question, sort of playing devil's advocate so to speak. Feeder drivers (tractor-trailer drivers) at UPS do exactly the same work as tractor-trailer drivers at freight companies yet they are paid somewhat more. So it appears that there are accommodations made by the Union for different pay rates depending on a companies profitability. I say this to counter those individuals who say "pay the rate or close the gate" about Yellow. My point being is that there is no standard "rate" after all. There are different rates for different companies, apparently based on their ability to pay. And if Yellow's profitability is lower than their peers (ABF and TForce) then they should be allowed a lower pay rate until they return to profitability. Just trying to make that logical point, that's all.
 
Triplex said:
So it appears that there are accommodations made by the Union for different pay rates depending on a companies profitability. I say this to counter those individuals who say "pay the rate or close the gate" about Yellow. My point being is that there is no standard "rate" after all. There are different rates for different companies,
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Not looking for an argument but all union companies bargained un nmfa for the same increases until Yrc/ Yellow started with the givebacks. Then ABF says we can’t complete with Yrc & cry’s the blues to the union & Hoffa then encourages ABF to take pay cuts loose vacations & supports :shit:ty contracts for us . I know we ultimately voted for all the stuff mentioned, but why is everything so different with a new President? We had 3 contracts settled with positive outcomes….
 
GO40 said:
Not looking for an argument but all union companies bargained un nmfa for the same increases until Yrc/ Yellow started with the givebacks. Then ABF says we can’t complete with Yrc & cry’s the blues to the union & Hoffa then encourages ABF to take pay cuts loose vacations & supports :::shit:::ty contracts for us . I know we ultimately voted for all the stuff mentioned, but why is everything so different with a new President? We had 3 contracts settled with positive outcomes….
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My guess is the New President. Isn't a P#ssy like Hoffa was..
 
GO40 said:
Not looking for an argument but all union companies bargained un nmfa for the same increases until Yrc/ Yellow started with the givebacks. Then ABF says we can’t complete with Yrc & cry’s the blues to the union & Hoffa then encourages ABF to take pay cuts loose vacations & supports :::shit:::ty contracts for us . I know we ultimately voted for all the stuff mentioned, but why is everything so different with a new President? We had 3 contracts settled with positive outcomes….
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No argument GO40, just looking at the situation from a different angle. Still don't know why freight tractor-trailer drivers are not paid the same as tractor-trailer drivers at UPS. That's been going on for much longer than Yellow asking for concessions. Seems like all of freight has been getting concessions for a long time when compared to UPS. Question for me is why?
 
Triplex said:
Why can't you answer my question instead of diverting? Coward?
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No all LTL should be paid the same. Parcel is a different field. DHL and UPS should be paid the same. Thats like saying a union janitor should be paid the same as a union nurse. Same field, same pay Yellow has been getting away with murder far to long.
 
Triplex said:
SOR, not indending to argue, I just brought this up as a rhetorical question, sort of playing devil's advocate so to speak. Feeder drivers (tractor-trailer drivers) at UPS do exactly the same work as tractor-trailer drivers at freight companies yet they are paid somewhat more. So it appears that there are accommodations made by the Union for different pay rates depending on a companies profitability. I say this to counter those individuals who say "pay the rate or close the gate" about Yellow. My point being is that there is no standard "rate" after all. There are different rates for different companies, apparently based on their ability to pay. And if Yellow's profitability is lower than their peers (ABF and TForce) then they should be allowed a lower pay rate until they return to profitability. Just trying to make that logical point, that's all.
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I see the point you are making, and I somewhat agree. On the flip side however, Hawkins is wanting to open the Yellow contract and change the language to work the Road classification on the dock. So, if this were done, and the Yellow road driver worked the dock, should he/she not make more money than the UPS, T-Force, or ABF Road-Driver? After all, the Yellow road driver would have more job requirements/abilities than the other three companies have.
This was the premise behind the $1.00 an hour extra pay for the Utility Employee position (more job requirements/abilities = more pay).
If all four companies mentioned were all under the same contract, your point would have more merit. But, the fact remains the same that all four have separate contracts and are negotiated separately.
 
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