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The Electric Vehicle Scam

Toby

I live Here

The Electric Vehicle Scam​


EV Charging Insanity

In order to match the 2,000 cars that a typical filling station can service in a busy 12 hours, an EV charging station would require 600, 50-watt chargers at an estimated cost of $24 million and a supply of 30 megawatts of power from the grid. That is enough to power 20,000 homes. No one likely thinks about the fact that it can take 30 minutes to 8 hours to recharge a vehicle between empty or just topping off. What are the drivers doing during that time?

ICSC-Canada board member New Zealand-based consulting engineer Bryan Leylanddescribes why installing electric car charging stations in a city is impractical:

“If you’ve got cars coming into a petrol station, they would stay for an average of five minutes. If you’ve got cars coming into an electric charging station, they would be at least 30 minutes, possibly an hour, but let’s say its 30 minutes. So that’s six times the surface area to park the cars while they’re being charged. So, multiply every petrol station in a city by six. Where are you going to find the place to put them?”

The government of the United Kingdom is already starting to plan for power shortages caused by the charging of thousands of EVs. Starting in June 2022, the government will restrict the time of day you can charge your EV battery. To do this, they will employ smart meters that are programmed to automatically switch off EV charging in peak times to avoid potential blackouts.

In particular, the latest UK chargers will be pre-set to not function during 9-hours of peak loads, from 8 am to 11 am (3-hours), and 4 pm to 10 pm (6-hours).

 

Toby

I live Here
Used Car Market

The average used EV will need a new battery before an owner can sell it, pricing them well above used internal combustion cars. The average age of an American car on the road is 12 years. A 12-year-old EV will be on its third battery. A Tesla battery typically costs $10,000 so there will not be many 12-year-old EVs on the road. Good luck trying to sell your used green fairy tale electric car!

Tuomas Katainen, an enterprising Finish Tesla owner, had an imaginative solution to the battery replacement problem—he blew up his car! New York City-based Insider magazine reported (December 27, 2021):

“The shop told him the faulty battery needed to be replaced, at a cost of about $22,000. In addition to the hefty fee, the work would need to be authorized by Tesla…Rather than shell out half the cost of a new Tesla to fix an old one, Katainen decided to do something different… The demolition experts from the YouTube channel Pommijätkät (Bomb Dudes) strapped 66 pounds of high explosives to the car and surrounded the area with slow-motion cameras…the 14 hotdog-shaped charges erupt into a blinding ball of fire, sending a massive shockwave rippling out from the car…The videos of the explosion have a combined 5 million views.”

 

highspeeds

ENTERTAINMENT USE ONLY
Most people will charge at home and at work. Some will charge around town. Britain is scattered with charging stations. 4 cars here and 4 cars there. Apartments. Pubs. Strip malls. Grocery stores. And when you are looking for a charging station. The app doesn't show you the ones that are already taken. So that you don't drive to something that you already know you can't use. It's not as bleak as you are making it. Is it the same as having a gas powered car ? No. Absolutley not. Charging stations in California can have an hour or more wait times. Just to get a charger. Then the hour it takes to charge up. But that's California. Those dipspits can't do anything right. Please don't crap all over this idea because those people are stupid. We all know that you can't fix stupid. It's proven. But we are all more than capable of keeping our various phones and bluetooth devices up and going. We can handle this too.
 

Toby

I live Here
Most people will charge at home and at work. Some will charge around town. Britain is scattered with charging stations. 4 cars here and 4 cars there. Apartments. Pubs. Strip malls. Grocery stores. And when you are looking for a charging station. The app doesn't show you the ones that are already taken. So that you don't drive to something that you already know you can't use. It's not as bleak as you are making it. Is it the same as having a gas powered car ? No. Absolutley not. Charging stations in California can have an hour or more wait times. Just to get a charger. Then the hour it takes to charge up. But that's California. Those dipspits can't do anything right. Please don't crap all over this idea because those people are stupid. We all know that you can't fix stupid. It's proven. But we are all more than capable of keeping our various phones and bluetooth devices up and going. We can handle this too.
EVs Per Block In Your Neighborhood

A home charging system for a Tesla requires a 75-amp service. The average house is equipped with 100-amp service. On most suburban streets the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla. For half the homes on your block to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly overloaded.

Batteries

Although the modern lithium-ion battery is four times better than the old lead-acid battery, gasoline holds 80 times the energy density. The great lithium battery in your cell phone weighs less than an ounce while the Tesla battery weighs 1,000 pounds. And what do we get for this huge cost and weight? We get a car that is far less convenient and less useful than cars powered by internal combustion engines. Bryan Leyland explained why:

“When the Model T came out, it was a dramatic improvement on the horse and cart. The electric car is a step backward into the equivalence of an ordinary car with a tiny petrol tank that takes half an hour to fill. It offers nothing in the way of convenience or extra facilitie

 

Michigan Bill

I live Here
Alternative fuels sure, hydrogen sure, we are not there yet. Electric is a novelty adaptation for transportation, long term and distance is really not it’s fortes, let alone weather. Think of being stuck in that I95 mess a week ago in an electric vehicle
With the performance of some of the EVs, guys will probably be willing to get a standalone generator for charging.
 

Crumudgeon

Guru of the Gobblydeguk Constitutionalist
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I had 3000,000 miles on an old Ford Ranger and sold it for $600. With an electric that would be around 12 new batteries. maybe $100,000?
Maybe OK for a second or third car, but the country relying on these things as primaries, not for me.
If that mess in VA on 95 was electric cars they would still be waiting for a charge.
 

Northern Flash

Big Boy Toys
Premium
I realize that all innovation has to start somewhere and there will be major inconveniences as it progresses, but I have zero interest in this kind of inconvenience, especially since it's not doing anything to help "save the planet" anyway. Not interested.
 

highspeeds

ENTERTAINMENT USE ONLY
EVs Per Block In Your Neighborhood

A home charging system for a Tesla requires a 75-amp service. The average house is equipped with 100-amp service. On most suburban streets the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla. For half the homes on your block to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly overloaded.

Batteries

Although the modern lithium-ion battery is four times better than the old lead-acid battery, gasoline holds 80 times the energy density. The great lithium battery in your cell phone weighs less than an ounce while the Tesla battery weighs 1,000 pounds. And what do we get for this huge cost and weight? We get a car that is far less convenient and less useful than cars powered by internal combustion engines. Bryan Leyland explained why:
The big elephant in the room is that they want to eliminate power plants. While going to more and more electric use. That is no doubt a huge conundrum. Of course, Tesla wants you to have your home solar assisted. Not relying on the grid alone. And of course, Tesla’s products conveniently accommodate themselves when working together. So, for the sake of your argument. You need to use the general EV term instead of the Tesla specifically. Most home chargers run on a similar 220 that an electric stove or large air conditioner runs on. Bigger than that and you are paying a lot out of pocket. And since you will usually have hours available to charge the car at home. You won’t need the high power short term charging. And the lower, slower charging will be good enough. Or good enough to get you to a proper charging station.

There is no doubt that gasoline is more convenient. Until we run out of it. And there is a limited supply. And it will be less cost effective to continue using it as it becomes more scarce. I believe the global warming agenda is just a black swan event to change consumerism. There used to be an ice age. There isn’t any more. Clearly. Things have been getting much warmer for some time now.

After the Covid hit. I have seriously changed my views on the ease of accessibility to personal vehicles. These frakkers ain’t got jobs. What they need cars for ?
 

highspeeds

ENTERTAINMENT USE ONLY
Alternative fuels sure, hydrogen sure, we are not there yet. Electric is a novelty adaptation for transportation, long term and distance is really not it’s fortes, let alone weather. Think of being stuck in that I95 mess a week ago in an electric vehicle

Hydrogen. Is really only good in large vehicles. It’s a possible direction for trucks. Although. The way hydrogen vehicles work is very similar to a locomotive. Where the Diesel engine powers a generator and the wheels are turned by electricity. Same principle. Hydrogen is fed into a mixture with outside air and combines with oxygen to make water. This gives off a small spark. Collect those sparks and charge the system. To run the vehicle as an electric. Not sure about the cost and etc.

To get big trucks to work as a pure electric they will have to put a rail down the truck lane for the them to draw power from. There is no way I can see that electric is suitable for trucking.

To get commuter vehicles using electric is simple. There are several YouTube videos where people sat their EVs with the climate controls at 70 degrees and the heated seats on until they died. It was days. Those vehicles spend a lot of power moving. They seem to do very well just sitting still. From the examples I have seen.
 

highspeeds

ENTERTAINMENT USE ONLY
I had 3000,000 miles on an old Ford Ranger and sold it for $600. With an electric that would be around 12 new batteries. maybe $100,000?
Maybe OK for a second or third car, but the country relying on these things as primaries, not for me.
If that mess in VA on 95 was electric cars they would still be waiting for a charge.

It’s true. A used EV is not going to have a high resale value because of the cost of a new battery pack. The electric engine will literally last millions of miles. And the batteries will get better and better. So if the car is in good shape. It could still be worth the cost. But lemons will be everywhere.

When a EV runs dead. It’s a flat bed to a charging station. Or a wrecker with a generator to charge you enough on the spot to get to one.
 

highspeeds

ENTERTAINMENT USE ONLY
I realize that all innovation has to start somewhere and there will be major inconveniences as it progresses, but I have zero interest in this kind of inconvenience, especially since it's not doing anything to help "save the planet" anyway. Not interested.

EVs are a net loss on carbon. It takes so much to mine the rare earth minerals for the batteries and then build the car. That an EV is a larger carbon spend than a gasoline vehicle over its lifetime.

It’s my opinion that there is less oil than we know. And they are preparing for an end to the current availability.
 

highspeeds

ENTERTAINMENT USE ONLY
If we changed all to 95% I would give you 100 likes....I have a hard time getting behind electric cars....I love the sound of a good V8 with glass packs and headers, even though an electric built right can outperform it....

I have been misled and disappointed to many times. I can no longer assume any of them are anything but the worst.

I will admit a torrid ( fictional ) love affair with Tulsi Gabbard.

The cars now pump in noise through the audio to make you feel all manly if you want.
 

Michigan Bill

I live Here
If we changed all to 95% I would give you 100 likes....I have a hard time getting behind electric cars....I love the sound of a good V8 with glass packs and headers, even though an electric built right can outperform it....
That's what most car guys are coming to the realization of, it's going to take a really stout hot rod that's barely streetable to take on a Tesla plaid.

Holley has already started an ev performance parts program, in a lot of ways hot rodding with electric cars makes sense, because you can do whatever you want, no need to worry about emissions laws.
 
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