The Electric Vehicle Scam

[Toby]

Those areas might see more use of hydrogen powered. Hard to say. I am very interested to see what they develop for trucking. The EV tractor trailers are providing about half of what was promised. And the bar was already very low. I just don’t see it as very feasible even in P&D.

XPO had some not long ago I wonder how those worked for them

 

[Toby]

It will never stop being formed. I see moving away from it eventually though, electric is powerful.

It is, but Bill how is electricity made? Break it down to the bones and it’s spinning a turbine. So you have to spin a turbine and that takes other sources be it hydro, coal,Nuke, wind etc.. the solar works a little different but the actual foot print on earth space for the two current alternatives is massive and would only have to consume more land to keep up if we go full electric.

There are other forms of propulsion and engines as well being developed and honestly in the Black may have already been developed.

Personally I am a all the above person. I do not believe that electric is the complete solution. I also am not in favor of using food for fuel long term either.

 

[Toby]

Whatever the case is eventually as a race a human race we have to get off this rock. We have this star called Sol that big ball of light in the sky and at some point no matter if we drive electric cars or go back to horse and buggy (truly teamsters again) we have to exit this planet. That star will either eventually run out of Fusion fuel or go nova as other stars do. And we are the third rock from it so we won’t last long

 

[ABF381]

It is, but Bill how is electricity made? Break it down to the bones and it’s spinning a turbine. So you have to spin a turbine and that takes other sources be it hydro, coal,Nuke, wind etc.. the solar works a little different but the actual foot print on earth space for the two current alternatives is massive and would only have to consume more land to keep up if we go full electric.

There are other forms of propulsion and engines as well being developed and honestly in the Black may have already been developed.

Personally I am a all the above person. I do not believe that electric is the complete solution. I also am not in favor of using food for fuel long term either.

I agree with all of that, but you would be surprised at all the solar and wind farms that are popping up in rural areas...even in the cold and not always sunny northeast...

 

[Michigan Bill]

It is, but Bill how is electricity made? Break it down to the bones and it’s spinning a turbine. So you have to spin a turbine and that takes other sources be it hydro, coal,Nuke, wind etc.. the solar works a little different but the actual foot print on earth space for the two current alternatives is massive and would only have to consume more land to keep up if we go full electric.

There are other forms of propulsion and engines as well being developed and honestly in the Black may have already been developed.

Personally I am a all the above person. I do not believe that electric is the complete solution. I also am not in favor of using food for fuel long term either.

All I can think of is that the Tesla plaid is a 9 second quarter mile car, on pretty mild tires.

I don't care about the environment aspect whatsoever.

Electric cars are in their infancy, and will be overwhelming the traction of available tires soon. That's another cool thing for electric car performance, is the ability to control the power so quickly.

I drive around and wrench on things for fun, I don't mind different things. I don't like the eco-waffen trying to tell me what I can do though..

 

[Toby]

I agree with all of that, but you would be surprised at all the solar and wind farms that are popping up in rural areas...even in the cold and not always sunny northeast...

True that and look at the footprint. Is that and the recycling once the use ages out really saving the planet? How is the environmental impact? Birds and such? Noise pollution and medical around the wind turbines?

Just like with other things the solutions may end up worse than the original problem. We already see that with a different topic of the day.

Just like this : if you have to force something, it just may not be the actual right thing. Think about that a second. In this subject matter if you have to have the government by their emission standards and edict that by what was it t Biden said 2030 that all vehicles will have to be electric or how California has this going on under Newsome . The true trickle down effect is enormous. You already see how it effects carriers going into and operating out in California.

If a market demands it then manufacturers would produce in large numbers. Forcing the market change is a grand academic idea, but the nuts and bolts reality on the ground is different.

When the class 8 manufacturers had to go with all this emission crap on the engines to this day most are having problems, you had one of the best just up and say the heck with it in Caterpillar, and yet drive up and down the road and you still see classic 379’s running to this day. Do you think the Tesla plastic trucks will have that endurance and longevity? I don’t so when you trickle down as I said it effects many factors I don’t think the egg heads really considered

 

[Toby]

All I can think of is that the Tesla plaid is a 9 second quarter mile car, on pretty mild tires.

I don't care about the environment aspect whatsoever.

Electric cars are in their infancy, and will be overwhelming the traction of available tires soon. That's another cool thing for electric car performance, is the ability to control the power so quickly.

I drive around and wrench on things for fun, I don't mind different things. I don't like the eco-waffen trying to tell me what I can do though..

Electric cars power goes directly to each wheel , now does a Hellcats power go directly to the wheels? No

That’s why those little all wheel rice burners are so fast as well

 

[Toby]

All I can think of is that the Tesla plaid is a 9 second quarter mile car, on pretty mild tires.

I don't care about the environment aspect whatsoever.

Electric cars are in their infancy, and will be overwhelming the traction of available tires soon. That's another cool thing for electric car performance, is the ability to control the power so quickly.

I drive around and wrench on things for fun, I don't mind different things. I don't like the eco-waffen trying to tell me what I can do though..

I love the smell of the pits for alcohol burning cars. And the sweet smell of racing fuel first thing in the morning.

 

[Michigan Bill]

Electric cars power goes directly to each wheel , now does a Hellcats power go directly to the wheels? No

That’s why those little all wheel rice burners are so fast as well

Hellcat can't have power directly to the wheel, gas engines make no torque until you wind them up. That's why there's always been transmissions, or at least a type of clutch, on anything running on fuel.

On the opposite side, electric motors make maximum torque right off 0 rpm. But they can be rpm limited.

It's going to change drag racing, as soon the fuel cars won't be able to compete. Where they will hold on, for a while anyway, is Stuff like f1 racing, because torque is not always a deciding factor.

 

[Michigan Bill]

I love the smell of the pits for alcohol burning cars. And the sweet smell of racing fuel first thing in the morning.

I agree, I grew up with a drag strip down the road, I love hearing and smelling loud exhaust and burning rubber, reminds me of home!

 

[Toby]

Now I would take one of these as a second or third car for sure. Don’t think it would be good in the snow. And yes they have the electric F-150 as well, but that could be the fourth I suppose

I would take it over a tesla for sure

 

[Michigan Bill]

Electric cars power goes directly to each wheel , now does a Hellcats power go directly to the wheels? No

That’s why those little all wheel rice burners are so fast as well

Ford sold out of that little electric motor they were selling as a swappable crate engine in a hurry. It was fairly mild, too, only 280 hp. But it had 400 ft lbs of torque.

I think there's a lot of guys looking at this and waiting for it to get cheaper. That's why the Ford electric motor sold so quickly.

280 hp with 400 ft lbs of torque off zero rpm(!) Is a bigger deal than people realize!

 

[Michigan Bill]

Now I would take one of these as a second or third car for sure. Don’t think it would be good in the snow. And yes they have the electric F-150 as well, but that could be the fourth I suppose

I would take it over a tesla for sure

Tesla's look like crap. But their drivetrains are cool. They don't look too bad to swap into something.

 

[ABF381]

Ford sold out of that little electric motor they were selling as a swappable crate engine in a hurry. It was fairly mild, too, only 280 hp. But it had 400 ft lbs of torque.

I think there's a lot of guys looking at this and waiting for it to get cheaper. That's why the Ford electric motor sold so quickly.

280 hp with 400 ft lbs of torque off zero rpm(!) Is a bigger deal than people realize!

400 ft lbs of torque is what makes it cool.....I test drove the ecoboost 2.7 F150 a couple of years ago and it was quick with 325 hp 400ft lbs I went around a corner at about 20 straightened out, punched it and it broke loose....

 

[Toby]

Tesla's look like crap. But their drivetrains are cool. They don't look too bad to swap into something.

Looks matter as well. Look at how all the muscle cars are coming back. Wonder if mopar will be putting out an electric Supper B or Roadrunner GM could come back with Pontiac and Olds all electric. A 442 all electric would be cool.

 

[Toby]

400 ft lbs of torque is what makes it cool.....I test drove the ecoboost 2.7 F150 a couple of years ago and it was quick with 325 hp 400ft lbs I went around a corner at about 20 straightened out, punched it and it broke loose....

I have one and once that turbo hits it’s a rocket.
Compared to some of the older ones I had it’s much lighter as well. My Buddy has a Ram with the Hemi and drove mine and was taken back by the power band you get with the turbo. 30-70 and you don’t even realize it at times

 

[Michigan Bill]

Looks matter as well. Look at how all the muscle cars are coming back. Wonder if mopar will be putting out an electric Supper B or Roadrunner GM could come back with Pontiac and Olds all electric. A 442 all electric would be cool.

Lol, I've been thinking about that for years! Hell, put out a New Buick GNX!

from what I've seen, those new hummers are actually cool, they didn't screw it up, like I was afraid They would

 

[Crumudgeon]

I know. So many limousine liberals are avid car collectors, however. Lots of tree huggers. From what I've read, Siemens and another company have already developed a carbon neutral synthetic fuel for use in internal combustion engines.

During WWII the German army was supplemented by synthetic fuel. 80-year-old tech, someone will make all this new tech pay off some day.

 

[Michigan Bill]

I have one and once that turbo hits it’s a rocket.
Compared to some of the older ones I had it’s much lighter as well. My Buddy has a Ram with the Hemi and drove mine and was taken back by the power band you get with the turbo. 30-70 and you don’t even realize it at times

I remember a time when everyone in the performance world was still not sold on turbos, claiming they were for high rpm power only....

My crappy turbo Ford has a lot of nuts, my buddy took it for a test drive when I first got it, he was surprised at how it pulled once the hair dryer kicked in...

 

[Michigan Bill]

During WWII the German army was supplemented by synthetic fuel. 80-year-old tech, someone will make all this new tech pay off some day.

Absolutely. The tree huggers even have a bunch of car guys amongst them, so it's not really something I'm worried about.