The Electric Vehicle Scam

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Do you know the difference between federal government and state
Absolutely, do you understand that everyone has to pay for the moronic issues Arizona is supposedly "taking care of" for you?

Did you narc on your neighbor for having a fire? Did you feel patriotic about it?
 

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Absolutely, do you understand that everyone has to pay for the moronic issues Arizona is supposedly "taking care of" for you?

Did you narc on your neighbor for having a fire? Did you feel patriotic about it?
You do realize there are laws and rules for a reason, nobody is truly free to do whatever the hell they want.
 

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Saturday's Energy Absurdity: The Looming Lithium Supply Trainwreck Accelerates​



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Saturday's Absurdity of the Day: EVs cannot displace internal combustion engine autos without lithium. The EV industry has irrevocably tied itself to lithium-ion technology for its batteries - without plentiful and affordable supplies of lithium, the industry will fail.


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I spent much of 2021 writing about the looming train wreck the world will be facing in the coming years where lithium supply is concerned, and critics and lobbyists for EVs and renewables - which are also currently tied to lithium-ion tech for the paltry battery backup that exists in the power gen sector today - scoffed.

But during the course of 2021, the price for lithium skyrocketed by 477%, making the 50% jump in gasoline prices seem like a comparative pittance, and governments in the U.S. and other western democracies made no substantive moves to liberate their supply chains for this critical mineral from China, which dominates more than 90% of the global market. Nor have those western democracies done anything to speed the permitting of mining for their own resources, again content to allow China, Russia and Australia to dominate that sector globally.

 

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The way the communists push it, it's not change, it's coercion. It's supposed to be a free country, remember?
He doesn’t like the freedom of choice, that has been shown in many of his recent posts. So addressing his post I am not against EV, it is a 10% market share at best. Without government subsidies and push it would not make a much larger dent per consumer demand.

At best it’s a stopgap until better technology is developed. Due to storage inefficiencies and overall replacement costs the market for resale and longevity will never surpass a traditional vehicle. Even with all the emission standards on new trucks and cars, it is still more economical overall.

Now looking at history: going all the way back to the birth of the automobile there has been a push/pull relationship between EV and Combustion power, then you didn’t have the same battery tech as today, but you had the same principles and combustion won out.

There is a well known documentary called: Who killed the electric car. It was the car manufacturers as well as the Government that did so, and this was still while the Green Movement was in full swing. It was not until government during the Obama Administration with cash for so called clunkers and the purchasing of large shares of GM that it really became somewhat popular again. That was by forced manipulation of both the market as well as manufacturers.
 

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It has been pointed out and documented well the overall in efficiency of the entire thing. From large swaths of land being used for small returns with windmills and solar farms to the very fact that the environment impact is much greater overall when you account for all the factors involved from mining the raw materials to the corrosive components and the overall demand on the grid system.

I have stated before I am a proponent of the all the above theory, but by force, edict, mandate or whatever is never the proper solution and actually hampers further and better technology from advancing. Food for fuel is a disaster as well. We should not be using crops to produce fuel! There are alternatives such as Algae and switchgrass over soy and corn.

Despite what AZ may think, I have done extensive research into these subjects, it’s not that I don’t like change at all. I recognize the fact that EV has many, many flaws and deficiencies.

Let alone the fact that we are not allowed to harvest our own resources to produce these mandated so called improvements. The National Security issues and the reliance on hostile nations from China to Afghanistan is not a proper blueprint for the future.
 

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More from the previous article:

As a result, the lithium supply trainwreck I had anticipated would not set in in earnest until late 2024-early 2025 has now accelerated. We can now expect a major disruption in the EV and renewables industries due to lack of lithium supplies to set in late in 2022 or early 2023 at the latest.

The societal and economic disruptions that will inevitably result is the price the world will pay for trying to force a braindead "energy transition" that never had any basis in real-world science and technology in the first place.

Oh, and if you're going to buy an EV, make it a Tesla, since Elon Musk is the only EV CEO visionary enough to have secured his company's supplies of lithium a decade in advance. Ford and GM, by contrast, have chosen to tie their fortunes to rent-seeking the largesse of the federal government. Good luck with that.

 

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Here is another factor in the game. We were energy independent prior to the installation of this farce regime. We were a net exporter of Oil and Nat Gas. Under this administration and the one prior to the last we have allowed ourselves to turn back the clock and be dependent once again.

The so called proponents of clean energy or environmental issues seem to have blinders on when it comes to other countries such as China who builds one Coal Fired plant every day or reliance upon unstable countries such as those in the Middle East and Afghanistan to provide both oil as well as lithium depending upon the angle you want to approach. Russia is another issue and as this next article points out we shifted from our own independence to reliance once again, a huge blunder overall. By design of incompetence at best, and to further pad the pockets of those who do not overall have our nations best interests.

Putin’s Real Puppet – After Killing XL Pipeline, Biden Regime Imports Oil from Russia at Record Levels​


As a result of his insane move to kill the Keystone XL pipeline, Biden is now importing a record amount of oil from Russia. We all knew this would happen. Really, why would Biden do this?​

Energynow.com reports:


The US Energy Department and far-left Politifact agree on this one:
The most recent data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration shows that in May, the U.S. imported 844,000 barrels per day of crude oil and petroleum products from Russia. That’s almost 10% of all the U.S. imports for that month.
Historically speaking, this is a large amount, setting a new monthly record for Russian oil imports.

As a result of Biden’s energy policies, gasoline in the US is nearly twice as much as a year ago. Did Biden do this for money or blackmail? It looks like he is the real ‘Putin Puppet.’ Democrats called President Trump this, but then again, they always project their sins on others.​

 

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True, but in a decade, I doubt most gas engines will be competition for electric. The price comes down, the technology gets better.

Think about how many Ford flatheads probably got chucked in the scrap heap in the late 50s, early 60s, after overhead valve v8s became common.

Hell, look at the LS. No one builds a 350 small block anymore, you can get a junkyard 5.3 that's better than anything you can build for under 6k...

When electric motors start showing up in the junkyard, guys are going to notice. I really don't care how the driveshaft gets spun, armature or crankshaft...
You can bet technology is already on the board for these things to recharge themselves while driving.
They won't be sitting hours waiting for a charge.
Like it or not, they're coming.
 

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We had an old White 5000 on the farm, 220 Cummins, 6-12 electric system, solenoids under the drivers seat, lever for compression release on the dash. Pull the lever, hear the click, spin like heck, shove the lever in, giant cloud of smoke. It's alive!!!!!
Early 60's technology at its best..
Did it have a Wig Wag too?
 

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Saturday's Energy Absurdity: The Looming Lithium Supply Trainwreck Accelerates​



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Saturday's Absurdity of the Day: EVs cannot displace internal combustion engine autos without lithium. The EV industry has irrevocably tied itself to lithium-ion technology for its batteries - without plentiful and affordable supplies of lithium, the industry will fail.


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I spent much of 2021 writing about the looming train wreck the world will be facing in the coming years where lithium supply is concerned, and critics and lobbyists for EVs and renewables - which are also currently tied to lithium-ion tech for the paltry battery backup that exists in the power gen sector today - scoffed.

But during the course of 2021, the price for lithium skyrocketed by 477%, making the 50% jump in gasoline prices seem like a comparative pittance, and governments in the U.S. and other western democracies made no substantive moves to liberate their supply chains for this critical mineral from China, which dominates more than 90% of the global market. Nor have those western democracies done anything to speed the permitting of mining for their own resources, again content to allow China, Russia and Australia to dominate that sector globally.



Elon has already discussed this. And all the new EV batteries are moving to silicon. They are using carbon nanotubes to stabilize the silicon. Getting a 20% increase over the lithium.
 

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You can bet technology is already on the board for these things to recharge themselves while driving.
They won't be sitting hours waiting for a charge.
Like it or not, they're coming.

There is a lot going on. In 20 years gasoline cars will be antiquated. Remember. The legacy auto makers had their pockets filled by the big oil companies. The dependence on gasoline over even diesel was driven by the big oil companies profits.
 
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