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POLITICS The National Poplar Vote Compact

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  1. Toby

    Toby I live Here

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    The National Popular Vote Compact moving through the states is an attempt to eliminate the Electoral College in our national election.

    It is well funded by Leftist Organizations including Soros funded groups. This is something we all need to be aware of as it will take the voice away from equal representation to entirely high population representation zones such as those on the coasts and Chicago.

    This is something you need to become involved with at your state level. Colorado residents are making it come to a vote to overturn, after their representatives stabbed them in the back, even a Democrat Governor in New Mexico vetoed it after passing in the legislature knowing his state would not have equal representation and be forced to the will of places like LA and San Fran.
     
  2. Toby

    Toby I live Here

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    Get Rid Of The Electoral College? It Would Lead To The Break-Up Of America, Or Worse


    Under Article II of the Constitution, both the president and vice president are decided by a group of electors chosen by a method determined by the individual states' legislators.


    One of the first acts of business last Thursday, mere hours after the new Congress was sworn in, came from Tennessee Democratic Rep. Steve Cohen, as reported by The Daily Caller. His big idea: amend the Constitution to abolish the Electoral College.

    Under Article II of the Constitution, both the president and vice president are decided by a group of electors chosen by a method determined by the individual states' legislators. Cohen's proposed amendment reads: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."


    If it sounds innocent, it's not. The idea is to neuter the electoral college, and turn the election of our presidents and vice presidents over to a simple majority vote.

    Electoral College No More?
    "More than a century ago, we amended our Constitution to provide for the direct election of U.S. Senators," said Cohen in a press release. "It is past time to directly elect our president and vice president." Cohen already has three sponsors signed up for this abysmal idea, not surprisingly two of them from California.

    Despite what you may have heard in the leftist media, this is a very bad idea. It would not only be anti-democratic (that's a small "d"), but could actually lead to the dissolution of our nation. And those who propose this idea betray a shocking lack of historical and civics knowledge and appreciation for how our nation works. That's especially true of elected officials, who should know better.

    This is a long-held pipe-dream of the Democrats. But they're not limiting themselves to just Congress, either. Currently, there's a far-left movement called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

    Under that deal, states that sign on would agree to give their state presidential electors to whatever candidate wins the national vote — even if that candidate loses the state.

    Already, 12 Blue States and Washington D.C. have signed on. The agreement will only go into effect if states representing the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency sign on. As of last summer, they were short just 85 votes.

    Blue State Domination
    The compact, which has 12 blue states and the District of Columbia on board, would become effective only after gaining enough states to equal 270 votes — or a majority of the Electoral College, the same number required to elect a president. They're now just 98 Electoral College votes short.

    Why is this so important? The Electoral College has kept bigger states from bullying and pushing around the smaller states. Along with the Senate, in which each state gets two senators regardless of size (and Democrats want to get rid of that, too), the Electoral College gives small states a voice.

    By the way, many of those small states are traditionalist, small-town oriented, conservative and Republican. Red States, in short. Getting rid of the Electoral College would give Blue States political domination over Red States. Democrats don't give a hoot about "democracy." What they care about is power. And eliminating the Electoral College or circumventing it altogether would give Democrats that.

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  3. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    And as they cry for impeachment their topdogs say..." The Constitution"......about 50 million times.

    Like spoiled rotten children.
     
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  4. Toby

    Toby I live Here

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    National Popular Vote Movement Continues to Quietly Neutralize the Electoral College

    Surprisingly, even some conservatives are buying into this idea!

    Would this be a good idea? It's not just conservatives and libertarians who, in general, believe the Electoral College should not be messed with. Consider these articles from Slate and the Huffington Post.

    What was the purpose of the Electoral College, and what could possibly go wrong if we eliminated it or neutralized it? In short the Electoral College was established in our Constitution so that the states would be the electing body for the president. We are the United STATES, after all, and not "the united provinces" or "united fiefdoms" existing as little subsidiaries with power emanating from the central government (although I often wonder if our country has devolved into that situation with an almighty federal government stripping power away from states). The founding fathers chose to let the states do the electing of our highest national officer.

    Why? They wanted to spread out the national support for, and authority of, the president over all the different regional concerns and conflicts so that the president would not represent only one segment of the country. Virginia was the most populous state in 1787, and the framers of the Constitution did not believe that heavily populated states should have all the power. In the Electoral College, smaller states such as New Hampshire or Georgia would have a bigger percentage of an electoral vote than in a vote based only on their population.

    The founders did not believe it would be good for the country to have a regional president who only gained the support of a few large population centers. (Generally, regional candidates have not fared well. Remember George Wallace in 1968? His third party, appealing only to the South, drew off enough votes from Hubert Humphrey to assure Richard Nixon of the presidency.) For more information on the founders' ideas about the Electoral College, I suggest Alexander Hamilton's notes in Federalist 68.

    What could go wrong if we remove this current system? Plenty. Currently we usually have only two national candidates running for office. Occasionally we have a third candidate who has a chance to gain any electoral votes at all (such as Ross Perot in 1992, or Theodore Roosevelt, who won 88 electoral votes in 1912). What if, however, we have ten people running, or twenty? Don't laugh. If you go to a National Popular Vote, don't be surprised if you have more regional candidates who believe they win with only 34 percent of the vote. I can certainly see a political party (pick one) "flooding" the race with "fake" candidates in regional areas to water down or draw off votes from their opponent(s). Imagine so many candidates that the "victor" only takes 25 percent of the popular vote — or less.

    Something else to think about — remember the election of 2000? The election came down to who would get Florida, and George W. Bush was elected president because of 537 votes. Now, imagine if an election were decided by a national popular vote, and it came down to just a few thousand votes across the entire nation. How many recounts would we have? Too many to count, I can imagine. What a nightmare. Would we even be able to seat a president with all the lawsuits going back and forth?

    If we eliminated or watered down the Electoral College, this could very well be the scenario, and even the Huffington Post said this was a real possibility. The certainty we have in choosing a president through the Electoral College is certainly better than numerous recounts or run-offs or legal challenges like we would have in a national popular vote.

    It is funny to me how the NPV people do not like a "winner take all" (state-by-state) vote in the Electoral College, but they want this new kind of "winner take all" in their compact of states in which 50 percent plus one more vote gets you a new president.
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    But imagine there is no Electoral College, or it is neutralized by the new NPV gameplan of a compact of states. Why even have states involved at all in national elections? State lines would barely matter, if at all. Now the battle would simply be between major metropolitan areas where the major population centers would be.

    Look at New York City with a population of 8.5 million. The metro area around New York has 20 million people. Los Angeles has 4 million. Los Angeles County has 10 million. I counted 41 states in the U.S. that have a population less than all of Los Angeles County. The entire metro area of Los Angeles has roughly 13 million (so that would make 43 states with smaller populations).

    In a national popular vote, you can see how one would only need to get the votes of major metropolitan areas such as the Boston to Washington corridor, Chicago, the West Coast (Seattle, San Francisco, L.A. to San Diego) and a few other major areas (such as Houston, St. Louis, Miami and Orlando), and you have a president. Essentially, California and the northeast elect the president, with a little help from friends in northern Illinois, Washington tate, and Florida.

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  5. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    Drop all national borders and let the Han Chinese and people of India have the popular vote too.....so we can work our whole lives away for ten cents/hour to support the whole world.
     
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  6. Toby

    Toby I live Here

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    Move On is one of the driving forces behind this movement, as we should all be well aware of by now their primary funding comes from Soros foundations.
     
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  7. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    Maybe they'll ease us into there Utopian plans by first brining Mexico into our votes to bring all wages down to their level first...then South America....and after we still can't compete with Chinese and Asian wages...they will bring them all into their borderless Utopia.
     
  8. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    While Soros keeps living larger and larger and keeps getting fatter and fatter.
     
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    Toby I live Here

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    Who’s Bankrolling the National Popular Vote Movement

    The nonprofit organization building a coalition of states that favor choosing the president by popular vote promotes itself as nonpartisan, but is financed by millions of dollars from left-leaning groups.

    Some of the leaders of the movement are prominent Republicans, and most of the funding for the nonprofit, National Popular Vote Inc., has come from a wealthy Democrat and a billionaire independent.

    However, many large, liberal organizations back the movement, according to the Capital Research Center, a conservative investigative think tank that monitors nonprofits. It gathered donor information on National Popular Vote Inc. using a commercial database.

    The Jennifer and Jonathan Allan Soros Foundation, for example, gave $1 million to the nonprofit in 2011.

    Jonathan Soros, 49, heads an investment firm and is the son of George Soros, a hedge fund manager known for financing left-leaning causes around the world. Although the Soros Foundation does not publicly list contact information, The Daily Signal sought comment through the George Soros-backed Open Society Foundations.

    The Stephen M. Silberstein Foundation made donations totaling $1 million to National Popular Vote Inc. from 2008 to 2012, according to the most recent data. The Silberstein Foundation gave $350,000 in 2008, $250,000 in 2009, $250,000 in 2010, and $150,000 in 2012. The Daily Signal unsuccessfully sought comment from the Silberstein Foundation.

    In 2015, an article in Inside Philanthropyreported: “Nearly every major progressive policy and advocacy group in the U.S. has received money from Silberstein in recent years.”

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    “We could find no conservative institutional donors to the organization,” Scott Walter, president of the Capital Research Center, told The Daily Signal. “Did Charles Koch write a personal check? We don’t know. But we found 16 instances of grants from institutional donors, and none were conservative.”

    American presidents never have been elected by a strictly popular vote across the nation. In presidential elections since 1804, under the 12th Amendment to the Constitution, voters actually vote for electors who are pledged to support their candidate in a later Electoral College vote.

    Proponents contend this system ensures that every state, no matter how small, has a voice. Opponents, including many Democrat presidential candidates, contend that rural areas get disproportionate power under the Electoral College.
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    Another major donor to the compact was the Sandler Foundation, which contributed $100,000 in 2010. The organization’s 2015 filing with the Internal Revenue Service shows it gave millions to liberal groups, including the Center for American Progress, the American Civil Liberties Union, EarthJustice California, and the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. The Sandler Foundation did not respond to inquiries from The Daily Signal for this story.

    The Tides Foundation, a major funder of left-leaning causes, contributed $25,000 to the popular vote group in 2009. The organization has donated to the ACLU Foundation, the Center for American Progress, Media Matters for America, Sierra Club, and Planned Parenthood, among other liberal groups.

    The George Soros-backed Open Society Foundations has given millions to the Tides Foundation, according to the Capitol Research Center. The Tides Foundation did not respond to The Daily Signal for this story.

    Big Spenders

    National Popular Vote’s 2015 filing with the IRS, the most recent publicly available, shows it had revenue of $2 million.

    The bulk of the group’s budget doesn’t come from other organizations, said Saul Anuzis, former chairman of Michigan’s Republican Party and a longtime GOP operative who advised Sen. Ted Cruz’s 2016 presidential campaign.

    “As for the funding, two individuals have put up over 95 percent of all the money,” Anuzis, a national spokesman for the effort, told The Daily Signal. “A liberal progressive, John Koza, and a conservative, pro-life tax protester, Tom Golisano. My guess [is that] several hundred others have given to one of the organizations behind the effort.”

    Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote Inc., is a California businessman who was an inventor of the scratch-off lottery ticket. He then marketed the idea to states—similar to what he’s doing with the popular vote compact.

    Koza has been a donor to Democratic candidates in federal elections. Politico reported that Koza spent $14 million promoting the popular vote compact among states by 2014, and that he planned to budget $2 million per year from then on.

    “John Koza regularly maxes out in donations to Democratic candidates, and he has not been an insignificant Democratic donor,” Capital Research Center’s Walter said. “He is on the record saying that the re-election of George W. Bush [in 2004] inspired him to start this.”

    Koza contributed the maximum amount of money, $2,700, to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.; Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn.; Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn.; the re-election campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.; the 2016 presidential campaign of former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee, a Democrat; and the 2016 presidential campaign of Democrat Hillary Clinton. He has written checks for tens of thousands to the Democratic National Committee and its fundraising arms for House and Senate races.

    Golisano, who founded the payroll and benefits services company Paychex, has spent $10 million of his own money to promote the compact. Last year, however, Politico reported that Golisano had pulled back from the effort.

    Golisano also is the founder of the New York Independence Party and a three-time unsuccessful candidate for governor.

    His political contributions don’t entirely reflect a conservative viewpoint. He gave to the presidential campaigns of two Democrats, John Kerry and ╰⋃╯ Gephardt, in 2004, and to the Senate campaign of Charlie Crist, a Florida Republican who became an independent, in 2010.

    ‘Never Partisan’

    “The National Popular Vote movement has never been a partisan movement. It is a bipartisan coalition of Republicans, Democrats, and independents who believe that every American voter should feel politically valued in every presidential election,” Anuzis said.

    The former Michigan GOP leader noted that related legislation passed Republican-controlled legislative chambers in Arizona, Oklahoma, and New York. Of those states, only New York has joined the compact so far.

    The president of National Popular Vote is Barry Fadem, a California election lawyer who like Koza also contributes to Democrat candidates in congressional and presidential races, according to Federal Election Commission data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

    Fadem contributed to John Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign and to the re-election of former Sen. Barbara Boxer of California, among others.

    According to tax filings, the organization’s secretary is Chris Pearson, a Vermont state senator affiliated with the state’s Progressive Party. Pearson is the former director of presidential election reform for FairVote, a left-leaning voting rights and good government group. He was an aide to Sanders when the senator was in the House of Representatives.

    As a specific kind of nonprofit under the tax code, National Popular Vote is allowed to lobby state lawmakers to join the interstate compact. Koza also established an educational nonprofit, the Institute for Research on Presidential Elections, that is prohibited from direct lobbying. It had $550,504 in revenue, according to its 2016 IRS filing.

    “National Popular Vote is indeed a 501(c)(4) and focused on advocacy efforts in the states,” said Patrick Rosenstiel, a spokesman for the organization, referring to the tax code. “IRPE is indeed a 501(c)(3) and 100 percent committed to education efforts surrounding the Electoral College, the current system, and potential Electoral College reforms.”

    Rosenstiel, a Republican, is chairman of the Institute for Research on Presidential Elections, the educational nonprofit.

    ‘Woeful Ignorance’

    But the compact should be a tough sell as a bipartisan effort, particularly since it “is mostly funded by the left,” said Hans von Spakovsky, manager of The Heritage Foundation’s Election Law Reform Initiative.


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  10. Toby

    Toby I live Here

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    Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College
    If the National Popular Vote drive kills the Electoral College, rural and small town Americans who supply our food and energy will lose their voice.


    Should rural and small-town Americans be reduced to serfdom? The American Founders didn’t think so. This is one reason why they created checks and balances, including the Electoral College. Today that system is threatened by a proposal called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, or NPV.

    Rural America produces almost all our country’s food, as well as raw materials like metals, cotton and timber. Energy, fossil fuelsbut also alternatives like wind and solar come mostly from rural areas. In other words, the material inputs of modern life flow out of rural communities and into cities.
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  11. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    I know Bush and Trump would have lost.
     
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    kboomarang My allah, between pie and mode AD-FREE USER

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    But do really NYC and Commiefornia picking a President?, I'd rather it be a people in Iowa or Kansas having a say rather than Wall St, big banks and Arnold Schwarzenegger fans....lousy actor....would do you think?
     
  13. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    I think a City Slicker fooled them. They aren't sophisticated in a lot of ways.
     
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  14. Toby

    Toby I live Here

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    So would have Bill Clinton
     
  15. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    There you go, you win some and lose some.
     
  16. Toby

    Toby I live Here

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    So where are you standing on this issue then? Are you in line with BERNIE and Liz on this or are you in line with what the founders recognized as a fair and due process of national elections?
     
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    Again with Urkel reference? I'm glad to see you're coming around to the fact things are good under President Trump, because he hasn't hurt either of us.
     
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    Soros, Silberstein, Sandler....Hmmmmm
     
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  19. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Back in those days getting election returns from the hinterlands could take weeks. Then the big advantage of the system is they could nullify the popular vote and they still can. They do not have to vote like the population of their home districts did. If they sense that a flim flam populist pulled the wool over the eyes of the common folk they can install a better candidate.
    Thats what the system was all about from the beginning a check and balance of the uneducated voters whom some of the founders did not trust with a vote. Most people back in the day wouldn't know if they switched out someone or not unless someone told the newspapers that it happened.
     
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    kboomarang My allah, between pie and mode AD-FREE USER

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    And the leftists worried so very much about the "evil" Koch money corrupting politics, what morons.
     
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