In all fairness Jeff, the other site is still running & still get's the point across without a lot of traffic or updated software. My question to you is, why did a certain member receive a 3 day ban that turned into a permaban?Remember all those sites that were supposed to shut truckingboards down? Well they are all gone except 1 and that site is run by bots using 2006 software.. Facebook killed alot of forums, Too bad, Facebook is creepy and farms your data plus Facebook will get you fired... Nobody knows who you are here unless YOU tell them.