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Where did I say it was critical?
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Critical MRI's will never take that long, day or two at most. Non-critical MRI's may take longer because they are taking the critical cases first. If you have insurance or want to go outside the country you can get it faster. I had some issues a while back where they thought that possibly I was having seizures, although nothing anywhere showed any obvious signs that I was. I was in for an MRI in 3 days.
 
She won’t be turned away. Why are you creating what ifs? Trying to stir up people’s emotion to win an argument may work with lib news media but most people see past it

I didn't start the healthcare discussion nor did start the what-if's, I only responded. I'm so far from a 'Lib' it would probably make your head spin. What I am though is a realist and whether I agree or disagree I will dispute and dispell myths of any sort.
 
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Critical MRI's will never take that long, day or two at most. Non-critical MRI's may take longer because they are taking the critical cases first. If you have insurance or want to go outside the country you can get it faster. I had some issues a while back where they thought that possibly I was having seizures, although nothing anywhere showed any obvious signs that I was. I was in for an MRI in 3 days.

I didn't say i was critical, I said they would take critical ones first. Mine was not critical.
 
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She won’t be turned away. Why are you creating what ifs? Trying to stir up people’s emotion to win an argument may work with lib news media but most people see past it

If a destitute person shows up at an emergency room in the US they will be seen, eventually, this is true. If they do not have insurance or the means to pay, they absolutely will be either treated to a minimum or flatly turned away, depending on circumstances.
 
All govt run healthcare plans runs on a budget and when that budgeted item is fill for the years you will just have to wait till next years budget comes out to see if you will get it done.
The is one big thing you are all forgetting that comes with any govt run healthcare like Canada's and England's. The one big thing Warren and Sanders are forget getting to tell you. They all use a formula called QALY (Quality-adjusted Life Years) when planning and picking who gets what surgeries/care and who doesn't. Some like Ruth Bader Ginsburg at her age of 86 would have not received any advance care for her latest cancer. Though in part That Ruth G is classified as the one being in the elite class she would get anything she needs. Were as you or anyone else would not.

Are you under the impression that private insurance does not operate with some version of QALY? Youd be wrong. Private insurance forces people to wait for things like knee replacements all the time because they are too young. They dont want you to outlive the artificial joint. Next you'll tell me that there is no such thing as a wait with private insurance, lol.
 
That's a tough one for me. I think they are both broken to be honest. They both have their advantages and disadvantages and I still think that some sort of middle ground between the two would be better. Which I think you guys are more on the path towards than we are.

My only reason for getting into this discussion is to dispell some of the myths that some of you guys have about our system that are not properly explained to you. Obviously by some people that have skin in the game. Neither system is as bad as people make you think and neither system is as good as people make you think.
Agree. Neither system works, both are underfunded and under staffed. Hard call.
 
I have never seen anyone wait 6 months for an mri, just to go to the back of another line.
So I'm not sure what the point is here. I've never seen anyone wait for an MRI that long either. But I have seen a bad sickness and the horrors of American healthcare reduce a wonderful young woman from Boston school teacher to bankruptcy and couch surfing until she died.

There probably is nowhere to go with this sort of conversation if it's just slinging horror stories and inadequacies back and forth.

To me the reality of the situation is that the US can do better, it has to do better, and a system based on private, for-profit insurance can not deliver that.

I'll likely bow out now because... hey, whatever, we aren't going to change each others minds.
 
So I'm not sure what the point is here. I've never seen anyone wait for an MRI that long either. But I have seen a bad sickness and the horrors of American healthcare reduce a wonderful young woman from Boston school teacher to bankruptcy and couch surfing until she died.

There probably is nowhere to go with this sort of conversation if it's just slinging horror stories and inadequacies back and forth.

To me the reality of the situation is that the US can do better, it has to do better, and a system based on private, for-profit insurance can not deliver that.

I'll likely bow out now because... hey, whatever, we aren't going to change each others minds.
Like I said, be careful what you wish for, you may get it.
 
So there’s merit to both . Best solution maybe a mix of the best attributes of both .

No. We absolutely must either have the English system or the Canadian system. And we will adopt them without buttressing their positive aspects or addressing any of their constituent weaknesses. There is no other option. /s
 
No. We absolutely must either have the English system or the Canadian system. And we will adopt them without buttressing their positive aspects or addressing any of their constituent weaknesses. There is no other option. /s
Don’t want either one. For those systems to work individual choice must be greatly diminished or eliminated. When given the option I always choose the best dr or med facility. Won’t have that option with a National health service. You take the first available if I understand it correctly and I don’t want that. I want the freedom to choose it all and the fear is that my ability to choose will not exist if we go national health service. I would rather pay extra to have health services on demand rather than being on a 6 mos wait list
 
Don’t want either one. For those systems to work individual choice must be greatly diminished or eliminated. When given the option I always choose the best dr or med facility. Won’t have that option with a National health service. You take the first available if I understand it correctly and I don’t want that. I want the freedom to choose it all and the fear is that my ability to choose will not exist if we go national health service. I would rather pay extra to have health services on demand rather than being on a 6 mos wait list

It was sarcasm, that's what /s means at the end of a paragraph in internet speak.

And you're making some assumptions about a system of healthcare you admit you don't even understand.

On choice and freedom: https://www.tribunusplebis.net/blog/m4a
 
It was sarcasm, that's what /s means at the end of a paragraph in internet speak.

And you're making some assumptions about a system of healthcare you admit you don't even understand.

On choice and freedom: https://www.tribunusplebis.net/blog/m4a
I can say the same about your assumptions. I dare say your level is understanding is no greater than mine. You are blind if you think Uncle Sam will put your best interests above its own. Once again, I don’t want that. Oh I’m sure people will spit and polish it in the beginning, but it will end up being the same socialist garbage those Europeans have. If it’s so great then why aren’t people leaving here in droves to go there for treatment? You know, like flow across our southern border.
 
I can say the same about your assumptions. I dare say your level is understanding is no greater than mine. You are blind if you think Uncle Sam will put your best interests above its own. Once again, I don’t want that. Oh I’m sure people will spit and polish it in the beginning, but it will end up being the same socialist garbage those Europeans have. If it’s so great then why aren’t people leaving here in droves to go there for treatment? You know, like flow across our southern border.

Cheaper, better results, broader and higher approval, healthier populace... yeah, garbage, lol.
 
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