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Cheaper, better results, broader and higher approval, healthier populace... yeah, garbage, lol.
Lets not forget health insurance companies goal is to make a profit off of sick people , not help sick people if you went to a health insurance company meeting profits would be the only topic of discussion, the fed does not need to make a profit
 
Lets not forget health insurance companies goal is to make a profit off of sick people , not help sick people if you went to a health insurance company meeting profits would be the only topic of discussion, the fed does not need to make a profit
Exactly my point. Without the profit motive service will be mediocre at best
 
They make a profit off of healthy people.....

And by shunting more and more cost onto the people they are supposed to cover and by not paying for services to unhealthy people. For some reason people tend to leave that last part out and I can't quite figure out why.
 
Don’t want either one. For those systems to work individual choice must be greatly diminished or eliminated. When given the option I always choose the best dr or med facility. Won’t have that option with a National health service. You take the first available if I understand it correctly and I don’t want that. I want the freedom to choose it all and the fear is that my ability to choose will not exist if we go national health service. I would rather pay extra to have health services on demand rather than being on a 6 mos wait list


Your plans work until the insurance company decides they won't cover a treatment or the specialist you want to go to is out of network, etc. So either way, unless you are wealthy and don't need insurance, someone is making treatment decisions for you.
 
Looking at health care broadly I believe that any system predicated on the notion that health care is an inalienable right is in large part, doomed to fail.
Because inalienable rights are granted to all of us at the moment of our birth, some would argue even at the moment of conception. The right to life. The right to choices. The right to property ownership. The right to better one's life. These are rights the Founders spoke to in the Declaration of Independence and they went on to rightly declare that it's the obligation of government to protect these rights which are inseparable from all of humanity. While good health is instrumental in a person's ability to better their own life, we don't have a right to it. Unalienable rights do not guarantee equal outcomes. Politicians promise equal outcomes and never deliver on those promises. Rather politicians create laws that create artificial rights for some at the expense of others and call it equal for everyone. This is an infringement on the inalienable rights of some to the benefit of others. The difference between an inalienable right and a govt created 'right' is that the former requires no sacrifice from one individual to another in order that it be exercised. If health care were an unalienable right, a patient could walk into a doctor's office, demand and receive service, and leave without being legally obligated to make any payment whatsoever. So when Bernie Sanders says that health care should be a right and not a privilege he's lying because what he's saying simply isn't possible. Health care like everything else we benefit from in a market economy is a payed for service, whether or not it's paid by individuals or insurance, or a combination of both. No compensation to providers, no health care. Inalienable rights are free, when a 'right' has to be paid for it's not a right, but rather it's a product or a service. So in closing I'll tie together the relationship between an inalienable right and health care. Among the rights listed in the Declaration of Independence is the right to pursue happiness. Applying that to healthcare, it's accurate to say that people have the right to seek out and obtain the best possible health care within their means.....and that's where it ends. There are no guarantees in life and government cannot create them.
 
Because inalienable rights are granted to all of us at the moment of our birth, some would argue even at the moment of conception. The right to life. The right to choices. The right to property ownership. The right to better one's life. These are rights the Founders spoke to in the Declaration of Independence and they went on to rightly declare that it's the obligation of government to protect these rights which are inseparable from all of humanity. While good health is instrumental in a person's ability to better their own life, we don't have a right to it. Unalienable rights do not guarantee equal outcomes. Politicians promise equal outcomes and never deliver on those promises. Rather politicians create laws that create artificial rights for some at the expense of others and call it equal for everyone. This is an infringement on the inalienable rights of some to the benefit of others. The difference between an inalienable right and a govt created 'right' is that the former requires no sacrifice from one individual to another in order that it be exercised. If health care were an unalienable right, a patient could walk into a doctor's office, demand and receive service, and leave without being legally obligated to make any payment whatsoever. So when Bernie Sanders says that health care should be a right and not a privilege he's lying because what he's saying simply isn't possible. Health care like everything else we benefit from in a market economy is a payed for service, whether or not it's paid by individuals or insurance, or a combination of both. No compensation to providers, no health care. Inalienable rights are free, when a 'right' has to be paid for it's not a right, but rather it's a product or a service. So in closing I'll tie together the relationship between an inalienable right and health care. Among the rights listed in the Declaration of Independence is the right to pursue happiness. Applying that to healthcare, it's accurate to say that people have the right to seek out and obtain the best possible health care within their means.....and that's where it ends. There are no guarantees in life and government cannot create them.
Within your means , that what county hospitals are for , a system is already in place
 
Because inalienable rights are granted to all of us at the moment of our birth, some would argue even at the moment of conception. The right to life. The right to choices. The right to property ownership. The right to better one's life. These are rights the Founders spoke to in the Declaration of Independence and they went on to rightly declare that it's the obligation of government to protect these rights which are inseparable from all of humanity. While good health is instrumental in a person's ability to better their own life, we don't have a right to it. Unalienable rights do not guarantee equal outcomes. Politicians promise equal outcomes and never deliver on those promises. Rather politicians create laws that create artificial rights for some at the expense of others and call it equal for everyone. This is an infringement on the inalienable rights of some to the benefit of others. The difference between an inalienable right and a govt created 'right' is that the former requires no sacrifice from one individual to another in order that it be exercised. If health care were an unalienable right, a patient could walk into a doctor's office, demand and receive service, and leave without being legally obligated to make any payment whatsoever. So when Bernie Sanders says that health care should be a right and not a privilege he's lying because what he's saying simply isn't possible. Health care like everything else we benefit from in a market economy is a payed for service, whether or not it's paid by individuals or insurance, or a combination of both. No compensation to providers, no health care. Inalienable rights are free, when a 'right' has to be paid for it's not a right, but rather it's a product or a service. So in closing I'll tie together the relationship between an inalienable right and health care. Among the rights listed in the Declaration of Independence is the right to pursue happiness. Applying that to healthcare, it's accurate to say that people have the right to seek out and obtain the best possible health care within their means.....and that's where it ends. There are no guarantees in life and government cannot create them.

When Bernie Sanders says healthcare should be a right he is 100% accurate. It should absolutely be a right, just like it is in every other developed nation. Shockingly, these systems work just fine. Nobody breaks into a doctor's home and demands free services. They go to the doctors office, get service which is free at that point of service, and go home. The doctor gets paid, the patient is healthy, the country moves on.

Market economies do not work well for healthcare. Healthcare is an almost entirely inelastic demand. Markets are absolutely horrible at dealing with inelastic demand.

If, as you say, there is a right to life, then their must be a right to healthcare. The best way to guarantee this is with a single payer, free at the point of service system. It is cheaper and works better overall. After all, without a guarantee to life, what other right can we honestly say we have?

This is all little more than a fetishization of 'choice' over the sanctity of health and life. This country should really meditate over which side of that coin they really want to be on.
 
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When Bernie Sanders says healthcare should be a right he is 100% accurate. It should absolutely be a right, just like it is in every other developed nation. Shockingly, these systems work just fine. Nobody breaks into a doctor's home and demands free services. They go to the doctors office, get service which is free at that point of service, and go home. The doctor gets paid, the patient is healthy, the country moves on.

Market economies do not work well for healthcare. Healthcare is an almost entirely inelastic demand. Markets are absolutely horrible at dealing with inelastic demand.

If, as you say, there is a right to life, then their must be a right to healthcare. The best way to guarantee this is with a single payer, free at the point of service system. It is cheaper and works better overall. After all, without a guarantee to life, what other right can we honestly say we have?

This is all little more than a fetishization of 'choice' over the sanctity of health and life. This country should really meditate over which side of that coin they really want to be on.
Where in the Constitution does it say we have the right to health care
 
When Bernie Sanders says healthcare should be a right he is 100% accurate. It should absolutely be a right, just like it is in every other developed nation. Shockingly, these systems work just fine. Nobody breaks into a doctor's home and demands free services. They go to the doctors office, get service which is free at that point of service, and go home. The doctor gets paid, the patient is healthy, the country moves on.

Market economies do not work well for healthcare. Healthcare is an almost entirely inelastic demand. Markets are absolutely horrible at dealing with inelastic demand.

If, as you say, there is a right to life, then their must be a right to healthcare. The best way to guarantee this is with a single payer, free at the point of service system. It is cheaper and works better overall. After all, without a guarantee to life, what other right can we honestly say we have?

This is all little more than a fetishization of 'choice' over the sanctity of health and life. This country should really meditate over which side of that coin they really want to be on.
Before 1970 healthcare was not allowed to make a profit , nixion signed a for profit is now allowed bill and the downhill spiral started
 
Where in the Constitution does it say we have the right to health care

Nowhere. And that fact does not matter at all, lol. I don't particularly care if we call it a 'right', just create a single payer system that's free at the point of service for all Americans. That's it. The pedantic nonsense has to stop. People shouldn't die because they are poor or their jobs don't provide insurance.
 
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When Bernie Sanders says healthcare should be a right he is 100% accurate. It should absolutely be a right, just like it is in every other developed nation. Shockingly, these systems work just fine. Nobody breaks into a doctor's home and demands free services. They go to the doctors office, get service which is free at that point of service, and go home. The doctor gets paid, the patient is healthy, the country moves on.

Market economies do not work well for healthcare. Healthcare is an almost entirely inelastic demand. Markets are absolutely horrible at dealing with inelastic demand.

If, as you say, there is a right to life, then their must be a right to healthcare. The best way to guarantee this is with a single payer, free at the point of service system. It is cheaper and works better overall. After all, without a guarantee to life, what other right can we honestly say we have?

This is all little more than a fetishization of 'choice' over the sanctity of health and life. This country should really meditate over which side of that coin they really want to be on.
So in your thinking we all then have the right to go to the local union hall and have the right to have there health insurance cover us. We should not have to be a member or pay dues then.

The best way to guarantee this is with a single payer, free at the point of service system. It is cheaper and works better overall.
Cheaper for WHO? and it is not free. Someone is paying for it.
The only way single payer has any chance of working is that EVERYONE pays into the system. Look at SS and Medicare both have people that are drawing from the system that have never one dime into the system. Just look at the VA system and that should give you some insight into a govt run system
 
So in your thinking we all then have the right to go to the local union hall and have the right to have there health insurance cover us. We should not have to be a member or pay dues then.

This is just moronic.


Cheaper for WHO? and it is not free. Someone is paying for it.

Cheaper overall. And nobody said it was 'free', I said free at the point of service. What that means is that if you go to the doctor you don't pay anything there. It is paid via taxes.

Yes, we all will pay for it through taxes, but our tax rates (people in our income level) won't change much at all.

Government funded systems run just fine so long as political parties don't actively sabotage them and those covered suffer no more issues or indignities than those covered by private insurance.
 
Nowhere. And that fact does not matter at all, lol. I don't particularly care if we call it a 'right', just create a single payer system that's free at the point of service for all Americans. That's it. The pedantic nonsense has to stop. People shouldn't die because they are poor or their jobs don't provide insurance.
Really!!! Well the constitution says I have the right to bear arms under 2A. So under your thinking the govt should provide every American with arms and ammo. Yet some state govt do not allow me exercise my rights
 
This is just moronic.
but that's your thinking
Yes, we all will pay for it through taxes, but our tax rates (people in our income level) won't change much at all.
So you want re-disputation of wealth then. Here a little fact for you to chew on. Not everyone pays taxes and not every pays the same percentage of taxes. Some in no way can a single payer system be fair or equal because the ones that get up everyday and go to work will be taxed more then the one that do nothing yet they still get the same care I would.
 
but that's your thinking

No, that's a ridiculous interpretation of what I wrote.

So you want re-disputation of wealth then.

In a colloquial sense, Yes. (I'm assuming you mean "redistribution")

Billionaires should not exist.

Here a little fact for you to chew on. Not everyone pays taxes and not every pays the same percentage of taxes. Some in no way can a single payer system be fair or equal because the ones that get up everyday and go to work will be taxed more then the one that do nothing yet they still get the same care I would.

Even if this is true, they deserve the same care you or I get, and I guess this is where we diverge. I don't think those people deserve lesser or no care. This is a fundamental question about morality and the preservation of life. Some people believe that the poor should suffer and die because they are poor, some people do not. I am of the latter ilk.
 
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