POLITICS UAW vote at VW Tennessee plant turns into anti-union crusade

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  1. Starkravinloon

    Starkravinloon Hero's Falling At Home

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    And you think Buchanan is a pure as the driven snow conservative?
     
  2. Starkravinloon

    Starkravinloon Hero's Falling At Home

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    No I have better conversations with myself..LOL
     
  3. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Look up the Tenets of Communism. It fits with FDR- the Progressive Slow Communist. He had no association with people of real freedom. Pat can call whatever he wants what he wants. If it fits with quotes of Marx it's not conservative, but communist...
     
  4. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    If ya see both Leo and Marx saw the type of economy you favor as no good.
    Leo says " to remedy these wrongs".

    The capitalism you guys follow is no good.
    Not capitalism in general because socialism and communism allow govt controlled religion or none at all......but the type of capitalism which stomps out unions and leaves only the few with all money making rules against the people and for themselves.....it really got a boost from Reagan and Volker Friedman and Thatcher. People are human not livestock or perfect....yet this is where we are....no good for the majority means ugliness lies ahead. I've watched it my whole life and now down to 6% union and aiming to stomp us out entirely.
     
  5. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    Free trade came with FDR and Hull.
    The GOP always opposed it and the founding fathers did too. Except for Jefferson...and after 1812 he opposed it too.
    Its no good for a nation with borders and a constitution which governs within them.
    Good maybe to push as a religion of fantasy....but in reality all who practiced it fell....Britain and Rome.
     
  6. Bubba74

    Bubba74 I live Here

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    dont worry, he will.
    He wants this he wants to "fundamentally" transform America

    Remember under Barry, 2.5 million people losing their jobs is a good thing, they can all become artists
     
  7. Starkravinloon

    Starkravinloon Hero's Falling At Home

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    He hasn't made a move to keep a promise to the unions yet, I don't expect one here either... More unions was doing better before they got into the political game.. Maybe they need to rehash history..
     
  8. Bubba74

    Bubba74 I live Here

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    the unions will get buried by Barry
    He does not need them anymore and even if he did, many would still follow him blindly

    hate to report, this is not true capitalism nor is it true free markets
    The govt is manipulating the free market and controls the captialism

    The USA has not had true free markets since the 1920's (if you bring up "we all know how that ended, with a depression" I will prove to you again, how that govt manipulation dragged that out for 12 years where if the markets would have been allowed to correct it would have ended in months like the post WWI depression)
     
  9. Starkravinloon

    Starkravinloon Hero's Falling At Home

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    Of course they will, until death overtakes them.. "The capitalism you guys follow is no good"... What capitalism.. We deemed capitalism dead back during the end of the Clinton years, when he used the "outsourcing" to make up for campaign money...Don't know where he's been....
     
  10. jimmy g

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    So basically, you agree with Pope Leo of 1890 who was in agreement with his peer, Karl Marx. That explains why you post talking points of Communism without even realizing what you do.

    Stop digging your hole ever deeper Slavey. You are a Collectivist, not an Individualist. God wants our Individual Souls. There is no way for a collective salvation....
     
  11. jimmy g

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    So you now admit you don't like Progressivism (slow communism), yet you post quotes of communism as your beliefs???? Better stop, slavey. You're going to cause me to go drinking! :regretful: that ain't good.... :duh:
     
  12. jimmy g

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    Square that with this, from the YRCW forum:
    .....
     
  13. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    How does passing Federal Laws taking State Rights Away somehow equate to more Freedom? In this statement you said that the Federal government needs to restrict freedom of the states, you stated that it was "Needed" .
     
  14. Starkravinloon

    Starkravinloon Hero's Falling At Home

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    He gets lost in the confusion from time to time.....
     
  15. Starkravinloon

    Starkravinloon Hero's Falling At Home

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    Hopefully, most people on here and other union forums realize this guy is a fruitcake.. Like I told him once,when he was making one of his "union membership drives" on the union forum, he was bashing the non's right and left and then telling them they need to "join the union".. Duh.. I mean he was calling them names and how they were "no goods" and "bottom-feeders".. Then wanting them to sign up.. I'm no expert, but I don't think that's the way you try to sell your product... No one bought it, of course.. But he made a lot of enemies that day, both union and non-union... That's why I don't debate him on issues, because it's not a real debate, it get too personal for him and he starts belittling the folks.. I have no time for folks like that..
     
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  16. jimmy g

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    system won't let me give you greenie rep or I would! Thank You! Always puzzled by an attitude of 'join this you no-good piece of poop'...then we'll be Brothers!
     
  17. RickyRicardo

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    No problem, I got it covered.
     
  18. autocar65

    autocar65 Local 767

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    When it comes to our economy, if the foundation is fragile enough it doesn't matter how you build on it because sooner or later it will crumble. When we ask "how secure is your union pension"? We can say that it is just a secure as the non-union pension because both have pretty well become a 401-K plan and is based on employee contributions. The better questing is "How secure is the institution that handles your Retirement Union or not'? If it is based on foreign owned banks with currency that is funded by China who owns out Treasury Bonds I would say that we are all still arranging deck chair on the Titanic.

    We argue the GM bail out and on the one side we say all the money went to the executives and on the other we have to involve the UAW in it.. None of us know who got the money and anyone who expounds on who did is just showing their ignorance. We do know that the Government throws money at troubles.
     
  19. Toby

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    What so many people forget is that both 401k's and pensions invest the contributions in the market, so when they go about bashing the corporations and executives that manage those institutions they are in effect bashing and rooting for the decline of the very savings that they have invested in because if those companies do not show a profit the investments get effected as well. It's like the whole Big Oil bashing, when you look at the portfolios of most pensions they are invested in this sector to some extent, so to hope for the demise is to hope for the demise of future returns.
     
  20. autocar65

    autocar65 Local 767

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    Great point. It is like this idea that Unions are the source of the problem and need to be gotten rid of even if that means the death of the Corporation that employes the Union member. "The worst crime against working people is a company which fails to operate at a profit". Samuel Gompers. But we as Americans have become a people who have to chose between on of the two most extreme positions. If Union workers have an income that allows them to buy a home instead of living in Government Housing? That is an economy that will support home ownership. If it is a non Union company that pays well enough for the employee to buy a home? That too is an economy that will support home ownership. Both should be commended.

    If I have an employer who treats me with respect and pays me well? What need do I have of Union Representation? After all the company is doing what it should voluntary. But, it is this idea that I am the standard and everyone has it as good as I do. Had my job not had the Union behind it and the Teamsters from other warehouses across the country, I would be paying about $100 a week for healthcare. The Union was given a budget to shoot for and it was the Teamsters who did the foot work to find us medical for $10 week....the company could have done that but they were not willing to work that hard.

    So this idea that many have about Unions is sometimes more from a Political viewpoint rather than a practical one. If the VW employees are happy without the UAW? Let them be happy without it. But if the plant becomes abusive in their victory over the Union, there will be another vote down the road. For the most part, the first vote usually fails when trying to Unionize. But if the treat of the UAW is enough to keep these workers in a decent job that pays them well? Even without being voted in I would say the Union influence has done its job.
     

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