Un-affordable Care Act update

[Northern Flash]

I think the Republicans are out busy selling the Dream.

And it's an easy sell, since Obama and Democrat policies have pretty much destroyed the American Dream.

They are going to make things Great Again, bring back the good jobs, kick out the immigrants, close up planned parenthood and on and on.

Those issues alone should make any American Patriot vote Republican.

So when these people tell you they are going to bring the jobs back they are talking out their ass
and you know what comes out of the ass.

I'm confused...........another Obama?

 

[Northern Flash]

No I don't......I guess you haven't read many of my posts stating so......I had hoped it would be better....but what it ended up being leaves a lot to be desired......There are only a few aspects worth keeping......

Obamacare was just step one to the ultimate Liberal wet dream........Single payer.

 

[Northern Flash]

I was responding to this. I'm like Trump, I don't attack but when punched I punch back.

Just take him with a grain of salt. He likes to make his little insults but whines when it's given back to him.
Never forget.......he is much smarter than any of us. Just ask him.

 

[ABFer]

Never forget.......he is much smarter than any of us. Just ask him.

Hmmmm, I have not back tracked the trail to this post but I have $100 that says I can guess who you're referring to.

 

[Northern Flash]

The ACA didn't "dismantle" the entire system.......It mainly made everyone buy insurance that didn't have employer based Insurance......

********. It forced people that ALREADY had a policy that fit their needs, to drop that policy and pay a higher amount for a policy that the Govt. thought that they needed. Example: Why does a woman with no reproductive organs need to pay for birth control and other "women's" services when those services do not and can not ever be needed again? And don't tell me otherwise........It has affected my family personally.

Single payer puts more people to "rowing the boat"...... Everyone is "in" and covered through our collective tax dollars......

I will be nice, and not call you "clueless", so I'll just call you ill-informed. (or you have drank to much Liberal Kool Aid.)
Everyone DOES NOT pay taxes, so you are completely wrong when you say that Single Payer makes everyone "row the boat". If you don't pay taxes.......you ain't rowing, you are just along for the ride.

Most of the Canadians I know here can only stay out of Canada for a short time span, I believe 5 months or they lose their healthcare....Most of them stay the 5 moths or less to make sure they don't lose their medical care.....So the Canadian system isn't as bad as some would have you believe.....

You make it sound like they are going back to Canada every 5 months to continue getting their great health care, when in reality they are only going back to stay qualified for their healthcare.......since it's free. That's just common sense, not great health care services.

 

[Northern Flash]

I added that as a compliment that I think you are indeed smarter than to believe all the pundits..... If you chose to take it another way that was your choice...It wasn't meant as a "Punch" or an "Attack" .....

....... Surely you are smarter than to believe that.....

Who are you trying to ****?

You use those lines as insults. It's all good though, since you are viewed as a scab that just won't heal.

 

[ABFer]

Hmmmm, I have not back tracked the trail to this post but I have $100 that says I can guess who you're referring to.

I looked back and it looks like I'd have lost that $100

 

[Bubba74]

but if medical costs and Health insurance costs are so high and a lower payout to Doctors is an attempt to lower costs and that results in a bunch of highly paid Doctors crying

So because the cost of medicine is so high, the way to lower cost is to cut the wages of the "labor" (ie Doctor)?
Instead of opening up markets to innovation and development?

Really?... Is that all you can say?..... I thought you were more intelligent than that.... Whenever anyone makes a point about someone, or some group of people being over paid or mention anything about greed in society

it seems to only attack groups that goes against the leftist agenda
CEO's of oil companies bad
Zuckerburg (CEO of Facebook that made $4.2 Billion on Wednesday good)
Doctors opposing BarryCare bad
Doctors like Zeke" Emanuel who wrote the Total Life and tells old people go away and die, good
If you follow the leftist agenda, you can slaughter puppies on stage and get away with it

Our "beloved Political class" already has single payer......Your tax dollars already fund their healthcare.....

Yes, how many 500-1000 people rather than 320,000,000 its a big difference

I don't know if you have any children Bubba74, but would you consider your unborn children as nothing more than a "bundle of cells"..or "sack of cells"?....... Referencing an unborn child as such is disgusting........ I thought you would be above such remarks.......I guess it shows what irrational hatred can do to people....... (Chelsea Clinton was never a Politician and never done anything that impacted your life)

tell that to the left
to them that is all it is, a choice, not a life. Barry even voted against giving children born via botched abortions, not given medical attention
No Chelsea never did anything to me, now she is campaign for her mother, thus she is in the fray

The Healthcare system was "destroyed" by the unbridled greed of the Medical industry and the Healthcare Insurance Industry.......

I'll call BS, the healthcare system was destroyed by closed markets and govt intervention
Govt caused the problem now you expect govt to fix the problem
Do you really think when single payer comes about in this nation (and I believe it will eventually) that it will be different than England, Canada, or Cuba?
More people greater expeditures, their will be rationing, because every time govt takes over an industry, there is less of it because fewer people will enter the field. All I can recommend is don't get sick at the end of the fiscal year

 

[Northern Flash]

So because the cost of medicine is so high, the way to lower cost is to cut the wages of the "labor" (ie Doctor)?
Instead of opening up markets to innovation and development?

In the mind of the left, Govt. cures everything.
In the mind of the right, Govt. doesn't solve the problem, they are the problem.

 

[pilot87]

Who are you trying to :****:?

You use those lines as insults. It's all good though, since you are viewed as a scab that just won't heal.

Such a sensitive bunch on here........ "scab that won't heal"...... nice one Northern Flash.......You're a Class act....

 

[pilot87]

In the mind of the left, Govt. cures everything.
In the mind of the right, Govt. doesn't solve the problem, they are the problem.

And somewhere in between lies the most viable solution......... Constant partisan bickering isn't solving anything......

 

[pilot87]

Obamacare was just step one to the ultimate Liberal wet dream........Single payer.

I don't know if it was set up as a stepping stone to National Single payer....but due to the ACA's shortcomings it is becoming the step to a more viable solution, which is National single payer.......

 

[pilot87]

Never forget.......he is much smarter than any of us.

It's about time you recognize that......

 

[pilot87]

You use those lines as insults. It's all good though, since you are viewed as a scab that just won't heal.

You conveniently missed a part of my post in reply to the Posters response in how he chose to interpret my remark.....I'll re-post here so you can see I'm not the "bad guy" you like to think I am....

If you took it as such.....I apologize.

I took responsibility for my statement and how it was interpreted ........ I don't know why you felt the need to interject your opinion.....but it's all good though.....It's well known that you, shall we say for the sake of being polite, have a strong dislike of me.......

 

[pilot87]

It forced people that ALREADY had a policy that fit their needs, to drop that policy and pay a higher amount for a policy that the Govt. thought that they needed. Example: Why does a woman with no reproductive organs need to pay for birth control and other "women's" services when those services do not and can not ever be needed again? And don't tell me otherwise........It has affected my family personally.

I never said the ACA was all great and wonderful.......Yes some people have benefited...others have not...... If you think it's unfair to pay, through your premium, to help cover the cost of Woman's care as opposed to just having just women who "need" the coverage pay....you are essentially raising the price of Insurance to those such Women who use the coverage...... Insurance is about spreading the cost out through a pool of people.......That's like saying you shouldn't have to pay taxes that fund local Police departments because you haven't needed to use their services.....What about Cable T.V companies that charge for Channels by the Package......you have to pay for dozens of channels you never watch just to get a few that you like....are you alright with that practice?...

If it has affected your Family...well I'm sorry to hear that...but that's the way Insurance operates......I'm sure the Insurance Companies are just fine with charging you more for something they won't be paying any claims on......It's called reaping more profit.....You should be in favor of that since that's Capitalism....

I will be nice, and not call you "clueless", so I'll just call you ill-informed. (or you have drank to much Liberal Kool Aid.)
Everyone DOES NOT pay taxes, so you are completely wrong when you say that Single Payer makes everyone "row the boat". If you don't pay taxes.......you ain't rowing, you are just along for the ride.

I appreciate your being "nice"....especially after that "Scab" comment........Now to your statement that "Everyone DOES NOT pay taxes".... Let me correct you....Not everyone pays Federal Income taxes....true enough...... However, Federal Income taxes are just one way in which Americans contribute their share through taxes. Indeed, they do pay other forms of taxes. If you incorporate the additional,and significant, other forms of taxation it would lead you to the conclusion that nearly 100 percent of Americans pay taxes in some way, shape or form. All consumers bear the burden of state and local property, sales, and income taxes, as well as excise taxes on items like gasoline, as an example......So basically virtually everyone will pay taxes during their lifetime........ So I am NOT "completely wrong"......Everyone is "rowing" in one way or another........

You make it sound like they are going back to Canada every 5 months to continue getting their great health care, when in reality they are only going back to stay qualified for their healthcare.......since it's free. That's just common sense, not great health care services.

It's like anything else in life.....same applies to Peoples personal experience with their Canadian healthcare insurance....Some have great experiences and talk highly of it...others...not so much.....Same as with the Healthcare Insurance System in the States....Some with great insurance...think its wonderful......others.....not so much.......and yes...they do have to return to Canada to remain qualified......but I did allude to that in my post...... I also noticed that you only mentioned the Canadian Healthcare system.....I also commented on healthcare in Mexico, which is a 3rd to half, on average, than stateside and the level of care is generally very good to Excellent......Mexico has private Insurance as well as it's newer Universal Healthcare program, Seguro Popular.....and all of them work together well and covers everyone.....The costs are so much lower than any Healthcare Insurance in the States.... Dental care is even more reasonable than that!...... It can be done....

One a side note.....Since Canadians return to keep their eligibility...If it was as bad,overall, as some claim...why would they bother with it?.....

 

[jimmy g]

I looked back and it looks like I'd have lost that $100

Flash's post referred to Trump. Not to any poster.

And yes, Trump is smart. . 160 IQ. First in his class at Wharten Biz School. (I just don't trust him, personally)

 

[Bubba74]

Flash's post referred to Trump. Not to any poster.

And yes, Trump is smart. . 160 IQ. First in his class at Wharten Biz School. (I just don't trust him, personally)

Trump is smart and that is documented (Barry? we will never know)
I like to think that Trump had to act like a lib and champion lib causes because of where his business was located (play along to get along, I know how the world works, I work with the left, I keep my mouth shut and tell them what they want to hear)
is he a conservative, no, no matter what he says, Cruz is the only conservative in the race

 

[Northern Flash]

Such a sensitive bunch on here........ "scab that won't heal"...... nice one Northern Flash.......You're a Class act....

If I have rubbed you the wrong way........excellent.........I call this a good day!

 

[Northern Flash]

And somewhere in between lies the most viable solution......... Constant partisan bickering isn't solving anything......

The partisan bickering has been around a lot longer than you and I have, so don't expect it to change while I'm still alive. Plus, I'm not going to die until you leftists finally agree with me.

 

[Northern Flash]

I don't know if it was set up as a stepping stone to National Single payer....but due to the ACA's shortcomings it is becoming the step to a more viable solution, which is National single payer.......

That's the typical response from the left. Screw everything up with stupidity and incompetence, then double down on your stupidity and incompetence.