Yellow | UPS’s Union Rejects Labor Contract, Raising Risk of Strike

[Michigan Bill]

Well actually Ford did get screwed, they didn't get all the wage and benefit cuts GM and Chrysler did. GM and Chrysler got a thirty billion gift from Obama, for their pension and health care funds. Legacy cost ford still had to pay. Ford also is probably still paying on the loans it took out when it mortgage the company. GM and Chrysler got the bailout.

if Ford knew the bailouts were coming, they would have never taken out loans. That would be stupid business. They roll the dice they took their chances!

 

[Michigan Bill]

Do you know of any other union shop that pays you 90% of your wages to stay home and play golf?

Operating engineers all face layoffs annually. They have subsistence benefits negotiated 4 when they are laid off, to square them up to 40 hours of pay

What you haven't heard of could fill a Warehouse.

 

[Michigan Bill]

Well my neighbor had the good sense to take voluntary layoff at 90% pay, after working all those 12 hr. days. According to him he needed to actually work 6 of those hours, since he was more productive than the younger worker.

What, are you jealous? Sounds like a better job than yours!

 

[jimmy g]

As you have stated, seniority rules. In the case of layoffs, if a senior man chooses to be laid off, it is so.

Never in Indy Local 135. Layoffs start at bottom, going up.

 

[Michigan Bill]

Never in Indy Local 135. Layoffs start at bottom, going up.

That's a violation of seniority, seniority should get you the choice, not necessarily the work.

 

[Freightmaster1]

 

[Triplex]

So who is really to blame for this fiasco, the IBT for having that clause in the contract ratification conditions or the lazy Teamsters who couldn't even be bothered to vote?

 

[Michigan Bill]

So who is really to blame for this fiasco, the IBT for having that clause in the contract ratification conditions or the lazy Teamsters who couldn't even be bothered to vote?

They sure weren't to lazy to vote to strike! That should be taken into context!

 

[Triplex]

They sure weren't to lazy to vote to strike! That should be taken into context!

Locking the gate after the horse is gone.

 

[Michigan Bill]

Locking the gate after the horse is gone.

What percentage of UPS Teamsters voted? And who handles counting the numbers?

 

[Triplex]

What percentage of UPS Teamsters voted? And who handles counting the numbers?

From a post in another thread...

"Despite of all of these efforts made by the NNC, Local Unions and individual members to encourage voting, only 44.3 percent of the eligible UPS membership participated in the ratification referendum on the National Master Agreement. Of the 209,043 members who were eligible to vote, only 92,604 (44.3%) cast a vote. The results of the tabulation show that 42,356 (45.8%) voted for the proposed contract and 50,248 (54.2%) voted against it."

 

[jimmy g]

That's a violation of seniority, seniority should get you the choice, not necessarily the work.

That's the way our NFMA spells it out. Bottom gets laid off.

 

[Elwood]

That's the way our NFMA spells it out. Bottom gets laid off.

We fought for it after the last MOU, I believe, locally. Never went to Joint Council, but it allowed senior men the option of seeking other employment without losing seniority. Once the ‘full’ recall occurred, it was not rescinded by the company. Couple of guys don’t like to work year round or prefer not to be forced to certain shifts. Taking the lay-off is chancey, but allows more freedom.

Now it’s moot. Everyone is maxing out on hours and no one even contemplates lay-off.

 

[wongway]

Blame it on the 2/3 of teamsters that didn't vote , just like the last YRCW vote lazy dogs won't take time to vote !!

 

[00mustang]

Do you know of any other union shop that pays you 90% of your wages to stay home and play golf?

True they get 90% BUT the company doesn't pay the whole amount, they pick up the difference between what unemployment pays to make a total of 90%

 

[Banned for Life]

if Ford knew the bailouts were coming, they would have never taken out loans. That would be stupid business. They roll the dice they took their chances!

Well actually Bill, Ford didn't want to screw it's employees by filing bankruptcy like GM and Chrysler. In a normal bankruptcy, pensions and benefits are eliminated. Wages reduced. Obama threw out bankruptcy law and bought 30 billion in political good will from the UAW. Ford did the right thing, Obama and his Wall St. buddies did O.K. too. Wall St. got pennies on the dollar, for what should have been theirs. Then again Wall St. didn't get prosecuted by Obama, Holder.

 

[Banned for Life]

Operating engineers all face layoffs annually. They have subsistence benefits negotiated 4 when they are laid off, to square them up to 40 hours of pay

What you haven't heard of could fill a Warehouse.

Actually Bill, you don't understand the difference between compensation and padding the pay roll. Bill your comprehension skills are lacking, that warehouse full of information is Greek to you.

 

[Banned for Life]

What, are you jealous? Sounds like a better job than yours!

If I'm happy at work, it's an indication to my employer that I need more unwanted overtime.

 

[Michigan Bill]

Well actually Bill, Ford didn't want to screw it's employees by filing bankruptcy like GM and Chrysler. In a normal bankruptcy, pensions and benefits are eliminated. Wages reduced. Obama threw out bankruptcy law and bought 30 billion in political good will from the UAW. Ford did the right thing, Obama and his Wall St. buddies did O.K. too. Wall St. got pennies on the dollar, for what should have been theirs. Then again Wall St. didn't get prosecuted by Obama, Holder.

actually, your dead wrong, like usual. ford continuing their pension is something they could have continued. they cut everything to the bone like gm and fca.

 

[Michigan Bill]

Actually Bill, you don't understand the difference between compensation and padding the pay roll. Bill your comprehension skills are lacking, that warehouse full of information is Greek to you.

actually, you are giving me the fox news version of what happened, where it was all the uaw (who already sold 2 tier workers down the river)were still somehow at fault. gee, it wouldn't be that big lumbering idiot company keeps engineering garbage, would it?