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buffalobill said:
thats my point, put them up to doing their jobs, or shut them down and go over and make just as much at any of the non union ltl's. watching people pay for this "representation" is pathetic.

if you roll over now, what do you think they will lock you out for in 5 years? a 3rd tier? no more pension?
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If we were up against them taking away our pension, you would see a whole different fight. The majority does not see enough negative in this contract to warrant a strike or possibly worse.
 
UPSFreight said:
You mean the majority that are under the old pension rules.
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Good question. Does anyone really know what the difference is between the two pension formulas? and really how many still work here that are actually under that grandfathered pension? not many I would imagine.
 
BusterNite said:
Good question. Does anyone really know what the difference is between the two pension formulas? and really how many still work here that are actually under that grandfathered pension? not many I would imagine.
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Yes. The old system is a formula based on income, years of service and credits. The new system is a flat rate based on years of service. The new system pays out about 50% less in gross monthly benefits. It sucks! There are quite s few still utilizing the old system. And those are the YES voters. They shafted all the other UPS Freight drivers who couldn’t opt into it five years ago because of minimum income level requirements.
 
UPSFreight said:
Yes. The old system is a formula based on income, years of service and credits. The new system is a flat rate based on years of service. The new system pays out about 50% less in gross monthly benefits. It sucks! There are quite s few still utilizing the old system. And those are the YES voters. They shafted all the other UPS Freight drivers who couldn’t opt into it five years ago because of minimum income level requirements.
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How did they shaft all the other drivers?
 
BusterNite said:
How did they shaft all the other drivers?
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Those making over $73,000 per annum could stay in the older more lucrative pension. Those that didn’t make a minimum of $73,000 per annum were forced into the new pension system. That was the bone thrown to those close to retirement to get them to vote Yes on the contract the second time around in 2013.
 
UPSFreight said:
Those making over $73,000 per annum could stay in the older more lucrative pension. Those that didn’t make a minimum of $73,000 per annum were forced into the new pension system. That was the bone thrown to those close to retirement to get them to vote Yes on the contract the second time around in 2013.
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$73,000 I would think that would be feeder drivers and aren't they a small majority?
 
UPSFreight said:
Yes. The old system is a formula based on income, years of service and credits. The new system is a flat rate based on years of service. The new system pays out about 50% less in gross monthly benefits. It sucks! There are quite s few still utilizing the old system. And those are the YES voters. They shafted all the other UPS Freight drivers who couldn’t opt into it five years ago because of minimum income level requirements.
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If you want a good example of how a Pension program can KILL a company just look at Every Master freight company over the last 55 yrs. YRC will be the next crushed by pension Liability's then ABF shortly after. UPS has ZERO intensions of joining that list. You are not Entitled to the profits of a company just because you work there. I am baffled that this many Teamsters are still prescribing to The Have and Have not mentality of the socialist movement of the 70,s. We have the right in all 50 states to seek better employment whenever we feel we are not being compensated fairly.
 
FRTCHUCKER said:
If you want a good example of how a Pension program can KILL a company just look at Every Master freight company over the last 55 yrs. YRC will be the next crushed by pension Liability's then ABF shortly after. UPS has ZERO intensions of joining that list. You are not Entitled to the profits of a company just because you work there. I am baffled that this many Teamsters are still prescribing to The Have and Have not mentality of the socialist movement of the 70,s. We have the right in all 50 states to seek better employment whenever we feel we are not being compensated fairly.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. They needed to cut it back to keep it solvent for sure. The problem is you give one group a great pension and high wages and another group a :shit:ty pension and high wages. Then you tell those people earning a :shit:ty pension with high wages that their annual pay increases won’t keep up with inflation. So they can never make up the lost income from the pension. One group has it real good over the other and is pissed and can’t understand why anyone would vote NO.
 
UPSFreight said:
I agree with you wholeheartedly. They needed to cut it back to keep it solvent for sure. The problem is you give one group a great pension and high wages and another group a :shit:ty pension and high wages. Then you tell those people earning a :shit:ty pension with high wages that their annual pay increases won’t keep up with inflation. So they can never make up the lost income from the pension. One group has it real good over the other and is pissed and can’t understand why anyone would vote NO.
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That is your opinion not a Fact. The UPSF Health benefits increased 7% for 2019. The $2.20 raise is a 1.5 % Raise per year. The pension contribution adds up to roughly 5% increase over 5 years. That is a total of 13.5 % increase in total compensation per year over the entire contract. Your telling me that 13.5 % is not keeping up with inflation? Come on people wake up. if you owned a small business and you had to do a profit and loss statement every month you would see this for what it is.
 
FRTCHUCKER said:
That is your opinion not a Fact. The UPSF Health benefits increased 7% for 2019. The $2.20 raise is a 1.5 % Raise per year. The pension contribution adds up to roughly 5% increase over 5 years. That is a total of 13.5 % increase in total compensation per year over the entire contract. Your telling me that 13.5 % is not keeping up with inflation? Come on people wake up. if you owned a small business and you had to do a profit and loss statement every month you would see this for what it

I’m only talking about pension. And your using the new pension to explain/justify your numbers. Sure the total package went up using the current reduced pension formula. But mileage pay for road drivers was reduced from .0125 per mile per year to .0025 per mile per year.
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You call a 1.5% raise per year an inflation beating raise? And by the way, I never said anything about health care. You added that into the mix.
 
That is based on health benefits only rising 7% per year. That is highly unlikely since they have averaged much more then that the last 10 years. so the company took the Risk of an unknown Cost to keep the benefit intact.
 
FRTCHUCKER said:
That is based on health benefits only rising 7% per year. That is highly unlikely since they have averaged much more then that the last 10 years. so the company took the Risk of an unknown Cost to keep the benefit intact.
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I’m not complaining about the health benefits. I’m complaining about the hourly pay rate and mileage. Of course on the P&L it looks wonderful sitting behind a desk. But when you break it out and review the compensation components separately they’re not so great!
 
UPSFreight said:
You call a 1.5% raise per year an inflation beating raise? And by the way, I never said anything about health care. You added that into the mix.
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Then lets pay 20% portion for our own health benefits and then you can have a 5% Raise in your hourly rate. Why are you stuck on the hourly ? what part of Total compensation is not connecting with you?
 
FRTCHUCKER said:
Then lets pay 20% portion for our own health benefits and then you can have a 5% Raise in your hourly rate. Why are you stuck on the hourly ? what part of Total compensation is not connecting with you?
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I get total compensation. Why not take it from somewhere else in the budget? I’ve been told, and you can correct me if I’m wrong that UPS Freight is saving in the neighborhood of $42 million or is it $142 million a year by utilizing contract carriers? Or how about we take some of the money in one time bonuses and stock options grants from senior level executives not meeting their targets?
 
No company is obligated to provide benefits to any employee in the United States of America. But if they do you must count those benefits as part of your Total wages. Its not your intent that is Flawed it is your perception of Reality. Some would call that an indoctrinated view point from a insidious source. (Socialism)
 
UPSFreight said:
I get total compensation. Why not take it from somewhere else in the budget? I’ve been told, and you can correct me if I’m wrong that UPS Freight is saving in the neighborhood of $42 million or is it $142 million a year by utilizing contract carriers? Or how about we take some of the money in one time bonuses and stock options grants from senior level executives not meeting their targets?
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You are acting like you are part owner of UPSF. That is your ideology fighting Reality. We are Employees of a Giant Corporation and we will take what they are willing to give us period. Even though the mob thinks the Union has some magical power to force them to give more. Ups spends more money per year on Analytics than UPSF generates every year to forecast cost and any possible pitfalls along the way. Be a little more gracious for what we have and then we can improve work conditions with our Local unions help.
 
FRTCHUCKER said:
No company is obligated to provide benefits to any employee in the United States of America. But if they do you must count those benefits as part of your Total wages. Its not your intent that is Flawed it is your perception of Reality. Some would call that an indoctrinated view point from a insidious source. (Socialism)
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Don’t insult my intelligence. I agree with you 100% that no company is obligated to provide benefits to any employee in the United States of America. And once again, I get total compensation. I’m not a moron. My perception of reality is based upon your P&L and it’s impact on my personal finances. I guess if I were being compensated with one time bonuses and stock options grants without meeting my targets I’d be happy too!
 
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