I agree with you, but I can say the same thing about some people who are anti union also....some can debate and will make good points...while others will be dishonest and say things that are simply not true, and when you point out they are wrong, they will disappear off of this thread for a few weeks until those posts are buried and never address where they were wrong.....now I know the union (any union) is not perfect, and I have said that a few times, but we have a few anti union people who would never admit to the union doing anything good, even when backed into a corner on it, and that to me is also very arrogant....