City Driver covering Shuttle runs

Discussion in 'Fedex Freight' started by Salty, Sep 27, 2017.

Should this be a safety concern that would require a policy change?

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  2. no

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  1. Redracer3136

    Redracer3136 BANNED

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    Has nothing to do with safety. As I stated, if one is not “properly rested” then take another 24 to get properly rested and return tomorrow night to try again...simple. Using the “not properly rested” argument because someone doesn’t want to work nights is a cop out IMO and perhaps they need to seek other employment. In LTL, if you’re at the bottom of your job class board, nights is certainly a possibility and it’s a definite for road so it’s the driver’s responsibility to get rested.

    The FMCSA recommends a 10-15 min “power nap” when fatigue is present and I’ve never known our company to ever reprimand any driver for stopping to take a nap(s). Sorry, it’s not a safety issue when there are steps in place to prevent it from becoming a safety issue.

    No, the cake is the issue, the icing is when someone is asked to do something the rest of us has already done and they want to complain and look for sympathy from us because they simply don’t want to do it. We didn’t want to do it either but we sucked it up and got the job done...SAFELY...perhaps buttercup should do the same or take a bid next time.
     
  2. Richard Cranium

    Richard Cranium Well-Known Member

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    RC is feeling a profound disturbance in the force. We are in absolute agreement on something. If ST concurs, surely the apocalypse is right around the corner.
     
  3. silent trucker

    silent trucker Well-Known Member

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    The four horsemen are saddling up...
     
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  4. SwampRatt

    SwampRatt Well-Known Member

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    Red, this is a far better reply than your "suck it up buttercup" post. :1036316054:

    Still, you seem to think the concerned driver simply doesn't want to run at night, even though he/she said that is NOT the case. The danger of a night to day flip is equally risky.

    Keeping this short, at least you offered some advice on how to deal with the situation. Far more admirable and helpful. I won't share how many sun rises I've seen on a single run, but being a master of the art of the logbook, this was the (actual) vital tool used on those rare and inadvisable occurrences:


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    Again, when (any) safety concerns are raised, it's far better to assist and advise, rather than use shame and ridicule, as is common in this industry, and as this thread clearly shows. At least think about it. It might save a life, avoid an accident or injury, etc.
     
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  5. SwampRatt

    SwampRatt Well-Known Member

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    Truckload? Really? Talk about radically inconsistent sleep patterns... The only good thing, there is a bed right there. If you can find a place to park.
     
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  6. truckingBORED

    truckingBORED Your Huckleberry

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    SwampRatt, I never meant to ridicule or shame anyone. It just seemed ludicrous to me that someone in this industry has an issue with how it works.

    It seemed like a garbage man complaining about the smell, or a lifeguard complaining about getting wet.

    We as drivers give up safety and long term health for a great paycheck and job security. I never assumed that a trucking boards poll or a complaint filed somewhere farther up the corporate ladder could provide me a better quality of life...

    Then again, that's probably the reason that I've stuck around long enough to get a steady run and all that comes with it...
     
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  7. Trucker 206

    Trucker 206 Well-Known Member

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    I feel for you, salty. This is garbage...plain and simple. When I was at Conway (XPO), they pulled this crap ALL the time. Call in at 6am...”nothing yet, call back at 8”. Call in at 8am...”nothing, call back at 10”...and so on. Told at 1pm there was nothing for that day, so I said I’ll check back tomorrow morning. Then...you guessed it...the phone rings at 5:59pm...”need you for a (14-hour) night run tonight at 8pm”. So, after being awake all damn day, you gotta report for work at 8.

    I’m with a Union carrier now, and if non-bid city drivers are called off for the day, they cannot bring you in that night for work. That’s the rule. If he/she WANTS to report to work, that might be a different story.
     
  8. Redracer3136

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    With truckload, as long as you make your appointments it doesn’t matter how you get there. Granted, dispatchers are notorious for giving little to no time to get there (atleast back in my day) but I found it easier to make better time driving at night vs the congested, accident, construction zone filled daytime highways...and it was a lot less stressful too!!
     
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    After going back and re-reading the original poster’s comments, he said he wanted a 24 hr notice...LMAO!! That’s basically saying he didn’t want to do it without saying it, especially in our industry!! There’s a danger with everything we do, that’s why we’re considered professionals and also why we’re paid what we are.
     
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  10. Richard Cranium

    Richard Cranium Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps he should change the color of his shirt, as in go to the dark side.
    Then he could work on making that difference, until then, it's fitting he goes by salty (tears).
     
  11. BIG R GUY

    BIG R GUY COOP Dispatch GPS Division

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    Why don't they just ,"cover" linehaul runs with Big Daves hat?
     
  12. Big Dave

    Big Dave Dispatcher for Team BRG-Wong

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    Yeah I'm gonna need you two to start your weekend run Sunday morning.....
     
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  13. BIG R GUY

    BIG R GUY COOP Dispatch GPS Division

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    Wong and I are clucking across I-70 right now.....
     
  14. Canadian Flyer

    Canadian Flyer Speedy Freightshaker #411

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    Truckload has it's own problem where you're chasing the clock all week. And, for some at least, the fact that it's just one day can make it even worse.

    I suppose I might be a little spoiled, being in the LTL sector and not being exposed to these issues as a result of my labor being contractual, and we are certainly in agreement about the next generation. But the reality is that the next generation is the one filling the ranks now, and taking a view of them not being cut out for it because of this or that doesn't change the fact that without them the industry pushes ever harder for automation. And that one will eventually impact all of us. To say nothing of how the industry claims to be changing to be more inclusive, a blatant lie with practices that force you into a box still so common.

    I think there's a broader discussion to be had here about the industry, it's practices, and what we as drivers can do to make things better for all of us. Despite what the young folks think, we all know they don't know everything. And I think there's room to improve on that attitude via demonstration. If each of us took time out of our day, even just a minute or two, it's amazing what we can teach others. There used to be a time in this industry that a man with whiskers would teach a young man the things he needed to know to succeed and have a long career as a driver. Nowadays, the company tells them everything the school doesn't, both are wrong, and the young driver becomes frustrated when nothing he's been told ends up working.

    Maybe, just maybe it'd pay off if, instead of writing off the new folks as know-nothing know-it-alls, we help them when we start seeing them get disillusioned and frustrated. Stop seeing them as competition in the rat race and start looking at them as an investment in the future. Because if they take to this job, it ensures those of us already here will work well into the future.

    Just a thought, I suppose.
     
  15. SwampRatt

    SwampRatt Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough, to a point. Yes, being a professional truck driver is (at it's core) a matter of dealing with adversity. City, road, each have challenges that involve danger, risk, and adapting, to minimize it.

    I think, too often, just because things were done in the past, it becomes part of the current expectation. We are all guilty to some degree. We also pride ourselves on getting it done despite the danger, when in many cases the risk is NOT justified. Endless variables and specific instances aside, we should not be pressured by dispatchers, customers, or (especially) other drivers, into taking unnecessary risk.

    The inconvenience of alternative solutions, for one, does not justify the risk to others. We, as veteran drivers, should try to offer solutions, tactics, guidance, when asked.

    Not picking on you. We, as a group, tend to expect the next gen to "figure it out", like we did. Look at the driver in this video. Some advice could sure help the situation. Frustrating and disturbing to watch...

     
  16. SwampRatt

    SwampRatt Well-Known Member

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    In my experience (yeah it's been a while), the dispatch usually started out fine and dandy. More often than not, by the time the loads finally get unloaded, loaded, etc, the situation goes from sweet to sour.

    Yeah, I could always make it look good on paper via sleeper berth entry, or similar tactic. But the reality was, it often became impossible to be rested AND get the job done (make money). Suck it up, it's the nature of the job, right? Yeah I did it. Would I recommend the new guy behind me do it? NO, absolutely not. That's the whole point.
     
  17. Songremainsthesame

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    Getting a lot more driving done now that you aren't stopping in KC to play golf with Jamie anymore...
     
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    Ever wonder who's cutting Jamie's grass?
     
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  19. BIG R GUY

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    Billy. Of course. He can do it all!!!
     
  20. The Point

    The Point You get it or not!

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    The problem is mostly a short term issue. Once autonomous trucks take traction the sleep factor will be mostly removed.
     
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