And that was the problem. Just showing up didn't get 'er done. I came to work, did my job really well (ask my manager, and just about anybody else), encouraged others to do their job the same way, and wasn't the slightest bit afraid to "get in the knickers" of Senior VPs if necessary. Didn't happen often, but it did happen. Once on this forum, I put a number to the mess. I'll restate it: 65% poor management, 20% Sean O'Brien and 15% some of the brethren. I will readjust that for cause now: 70% poor management, 15% Sean O'Brien and 15% some of the brethren. Reality is, those lazy brethren created more than 15% of the trouble, but part of management's job is to address that.