I don't recall declaring that debate is frowned upon in this forum, debate is what it is all about and all are welcome here, not just us ABF employees. Warning issued now because I'm tired of it, don't want to read it and seeing as I think I'm normal I figure that nobody else wants to either...except for a select few. If you're so inclined to do a little research you will find that during the last blood bath there were ummm four users posting in this entire forum? As soon as it was put to bed things livened up. That tells me something. And Von, thank you for your support.