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reading the posts on here I think the majority 12000 plus voters really thought there was going to be something after this. There is'nt. Atleast not since yesterday at 4pm. KK who is a friend of mine thinks there is. He has said YRC won't go down. He has even said that quoting Welsh when he said bankruptcy is not an option as the reason. But what Welsh meant was that a restructuring bankruptcy is not an option. Plain and simple brothers and sisters is that in that type of bankruptcy the judge could basically gut the contract. He/she could cut our pay make us pay for our insurance and more.

I've heard alot of conversations this weekend. Not on here. And my take is that Local leadership failed to convey how serious this was. They from what I've heard is that they think too that there will be something else now. My local pretty much laid it on the line. And a majority of our guys voted it down. Not by as big a margin as some but they voted it down.

My biggest reason for voting yes. I trust my local. My life is in their hands. And has been for the last 25 years. But I did'nt want to find a job this late in the game. And now after the votes have been counting my brothers and sisters have asked what's next. There is no plan B. There never was. Will there be? That I don't know. But I do know we just voted ourselves out of a job. Deregulation was the beginning.

LTL TRUCKING COMPANY BANKRUPTCIES & SHUTDOWNS
1980s

COMPANY HEADQUARTERS YEAR CEASED OPERATION NOTES
Admiral-Merchants Motor Freight Inc. St.Paul MN early 1980s only LTL operations closed
American Freight System Overland Park KS 1988 _
Bender & Loudon Motor Freight Akron OH 1989 _
Blue Line Express Nashua NH 1989 _
Boss-Linco Lines Inc. Buffalo NY 1982 _
Branch Motor Express New York, NY 1984 _
Brigg’s Transportation St. Paul MN 1984 _
Brown Express Inc San Antonio, TX 1988 subsidiary of U.S. Truck Lines
Campbell’s 66 Express Inc Springfield MO 1986 _
Central Transport Sterling Heights MI 1983 _
Central Truck Lines Inc. Tampa, FL 1989 subsidiary of U.S. Truck Line since 1965
Chippewa Motor Freight Inc. Eau Claire WI 1980 _
Clairmont Transfer Co. Escanaba MI 1985 _
Cleveland, Columbus, & Cincinnati Highway Inc. Cleveland OH 1988 subsidiary of U.S. Truck Lines
Commercial-Lovelace Motor Frieght Columbus OH 1985 _
Cooper-Jarrett Motor Freight Lines Inc. Orange NJ 1981 _
C.W. Transport Inc. Wisconsin Rapids WI 1988 _
Davidson Transfer & Storage Co. Baltimore, MD 1983 _
Eazor Express Pittsburgh PA 1983 _
Gateway Transportation La Crosse 1983 subsidiary of Maislin Brothers
Glendenning Motorways Inc. St. Paul MN 1983 _
Gordon’s Transports Inc Memphis TN 1983 _
Gross Common Carriers ?? late 1980s _
Hall’s Motor Transit Co. Harrisburg PA 1986 _
Hannibal-Quincy Truck Lines Inc. Quincy IL 1983 only LTL operations closed
Hemingway Transportation New Bedford MA 1982 _
Holmes Route USA Framingham MA? 1989 _
Horn’s Motor Express Inc. Chambersburg PA 1989 _
Illinois-California Express (ICX) Denver CO 1984 _
IML Freight Inc Salt Lake City,UT 1984 _
Intercity Transportation Easton MA 1980 _
Interstate Motor Freight System Grand Rapids, MI 1984 _
Johnson Motor Lines Charlotte NC 1980 _
Jones Motor Co Inc Spring City PA 1981 only LTL operations closed
Lee Way Motor Freight Inc. Oklahoma City OK 1985 _
Maislin Brothers Transport Ltd. La Salle, Que,CAN 1983 _
Mason & Dixon Lines Inc Kingsport TN 1984 _
McLean Trucking Co. Winston-Salem NC 1986 subsidiary of Meridian Express
Milne Truck Lines Inc Salt Lake City UT 1987 subsidiary of Sun Carriers Inc.
Motor Freight Express System York PA 1982 _
Murphy Motor Freight Lines Inc. St. Paul MN 1987 _
Mushroom Transportation Philadelphia PA 1986 _
Oneida Motor Freight Inc. Carlstadt NJ 1985 _
Pilot Freight Carriers Inc. Winston-Salem NC 1989 _
Quinn Freight Lines Brocton MA 1983 subsidiary of Maislin Brothers
Richmond Cartage Inc. ? 1983 subsidiary of Maislin Brothers
Rimes Trucking Co. Chardon OH early80s _
Ringsby Truck Lines Inc. Denver CO 1984 _
Smith’s Transfer Corp. Staunton VA 1988 purchased 1987 by American Freight System
Spector-Red Ball Dallas TX 1982 _
Sterling Transit Company Inc. Montebello CA 1989 _
Suburban Motor Freight Inc. Columbus OH 1987 _
System 99 Oakland CA 1987 _
Taynton’s Freight System Inc. Wellsboro PA 1985 _
T.I.M.E.-D.C. Inc. Lubbock TX 1988 _
Tose-Fowler Inc. Bridgeport PA 1989 _
Transport Motor Express Inc. Ft. Wayne IN 1980 _
Tucker Freight Lines South Bend IN 1983 _
Wilson Freight Co. Cincinnati OH 1980 _




LTL TRUCKING COMPANY BANKRUPTCIES & SHUTDOWNS
1990s

COMPANY HEADQUARTERS YEAR CEASED OPERATION NOTES
AAA Trenton NJ 1990 _
Allegheny Freight Lines Winchester VA 1990 _
ANR Advance Transportation Co. Milwaukee WI? 1998 _
Arrow Carrier Corp North Bergen NJ 1990 _
Atlanta Motor Lines Conley GA 1997 _
Bee Line Motor Freight Co. Omaha NE 1996 _
Be-Mac Transport Co St. Louis MO 1992 subsidiary of U.S. Truck Lines
Birmingham Nashville Express _ 1996 only LTL operations closed
Bowman Transportation Gadsden AL/Atlanta GA 1990 _
Brown Transport Corp. Atlanta GA/Charlotte NC 1990 Thurston Motor Lines bought 1987
Central Storage & Transfer Co. Harrisburg PA 1991 _
Charlton Brothers Hagerstown MD 1996 _
Churchill Truck Lines Inc Chillicothe MO 1994 _
Coles Express Inc. Bangor ME 1997 shut down, subsidiary of Roadway
Commercial Motor Freight Inc. of IN Indianapolis IN 1983 _
Edson Express Casper WY/Denver CO 1991 _
Fore-Way Express Inc. Wausau WI 1996 _
Friiedman’s Express Wilkes-Barre PA 1993 _
Holmes Freight Lines Omaha NE 1998 _
Hover Trucking Co. South Bend IN 1996 _
Hyman Freightways Inc. St. Paul MN 1997 _
Ideal Truck Lines Norton KS 1996 _
Inter-City Truck Lines Mississauga, Ont,CAN 1993 _
Interlink Freight Systems Toronto, Ont,CAN 1997 ex CP Express & Transport
Jones Truck Lines Inc. Springdale,AR 1991 subsidiary of Sun Carriers Inc.
Merchants Fast Motor Lines Inc Abilene TX 1997 _
Middlewest Freightways Inc. St. Louis MO 1992 acquired by Be-Mac 1992
Motorways Ltd Toronto, Ont,CAN 1993 subsidiary of Federal Industries
Nationsway Transport Services Commerce City CO 1999 _
North Penn Transfer Lansdale PA 1992 _
Penn Yan Express Penn Yan NY 1990 subsidiary of Consolidated Freightways
P.I.E. Nationwide Inc Jacksonville FL 1990 subsidiary of Olympia Holding Co.
Preston Trucking Inc. Preston MD 1999 _
Spartan Express Inc. Greer SC 1997 shut down, subsidiary of Roadway
Standard Trucking Co. Charlotte NC 1993 subsidiary of Sun Carriers Inc
St. Johnsbury Trucking Co Inc. St. Johnsbury VT 1993 subsidiary of Sun Carriers Inc.
Transcon Lines Los Angeles CA 1990 subsidiary of Olympia Holding Co.
Riss & Co. Inc Kansas City MO 1990 _
Willig Freight Lines San Francisco CA 1995 _




LTL TRUCKING COMPANY BANKRUPTCIES & SHUTDOWNS
2000s

COMPANY HEADQUARTERS YEAR CEASED OPERATION NOTES
A-P-A Transport Corp North Bergen NJ 2002 _
Alterman Transport Lines Opa Locka, FL 2003 _
Consolidated Freightways Corp. Vancouver WA 2002 _
Crescent Truck Lines Haywood CA 2003 _
Crouse Cartage Co. Carroll IA 2000 _
Guaranteed Overnite Delivery _ 2004 only LTL operations closed
H&W Motor Express Dubuque IA 2002 _
K&R Express Systems Blue Ridge IL 2004 _
Nussbaum Trucking Normal IL 2002 only LTL operations closed
Parker Motor Freight Grand Rapids MI 2004 _
Rudolf Express Bourbonais IL 2002 _
USF Red Star Newark NJ 2004 _

I don't believe this was the time to fight. And you can call me what ever you want. I'm like a duck it rolls off my back.
Why would anyone want to lose this job and go into the job marketplace. When we have a job that pays over 20 bucks an hour and paid Insurance????????????? I spoke to a woman the other day and she said I can get you a job with paid insurance no problem. Guess what the deductible was? $2900.
If we don't evolve we die.
TDU wants the UPS Freight guys to turn their contract down. Stupid. They were bought for a billion and could'nt sell it for half that.
 
You don't actually expect someone to believe you do you????? GOOD LUCK on that one buddy. The TDU-- TEAMSTERS FOR A DIVIDED UNION.
 
TonyMArdwy2018 said:
reading the posts on here I think the majority 12000 plus voters really thought there was going to be something after this. There is'nt. Atleast not since yesterday at 4pm. KK who is a friend of mine thinks there is. He has said YRC won't go down. He has even said that quoting Welsh when he said bankruptcy is not an option as the reason. But what Welsh meant was that a restructuring bankruptcy is not an option. Plain and simple brothers and sisters is that in that type of bankruptcy the judge could basically gut the contract. He/she could cut our pay make us pay for our insurance and more.

I've heard alot of conversations this weekend. Not on here. And my take is that Local leadership failed to convey how serious this was. They from what I've heard is that they think too that there will be something else now. My local pretty much laid it on the line. And a majority of our guys voted it down. Not by as big a margin as some but they voted it down.

My biggest reason for voting yes. I trust my local. My life is in their hands. And has been for the last 25 years. But I did'nt want to find a job this late in the game. And now after the votes have been counting my brothers and sisters have asked what's next. There is no plan B. There never was. Will there be? That I don't know. But I do know we just voted ourselves out of a job. Deregulation was the beginning.

LTL TRUCKING COMPANY BANKRUPTCIES & SHUTDOWNS
1980s

COMPANY HEADQUARTERS YEAR CEASED OPERATION NOTES
Admiral-Merchants Motor Freight Inc. St.Paul MN early 1980s only LTL operations closed
American Freight System Overland Park KS 1988 _
Bender & Loudon Motor Freight Akron OH 1989 _
Blue Line Express Nashua NH 1989 _
Boss-Linco Lines Inc. Buffalo NY 1982 _
Branch Motor Express New York, NY 1984 _
Brigg’s Transportation St. Paul MN 1984 _
Brown Express Inc San Antonio, TX 1988 subsidiary of U.S. Truck Lines
Campbell’s 66 Express Inc Springfield MO 1986 _
Central Transport Sterling Heights MI 1983 _
Central Truck Lines Inc. Tampa, FL 1989 subsidiary of U.S. Truck Line since 1965
Chippewa Motor Freight Inc. Eau Claire WI 1980 _
Clairmont Transfer Co. Escanaba MI 1985 _
Cleveland, Columbus, & Cincinnati Highway Inc. Cleveland OH 1988 subsidiary of U.S. Truck Lines
Commercial-Lovelace Motor Frieght Columbus OH 1985 _
Cooper-Jarrett Motor Freight Lines Inc. Orange NJ 1981 _
C.W. Transport Inc. Wisconsin Rapids WI 1988 _
Davidson Transfer & Storage Co. Baltimore, MD 1983 _
Eazor Express Pittsburgh PA 1983 _
Gateway Transportation La Crosse 1983 subsidiary of Maislin Brothers
Glendenning Motorways Inc. St. Paul MN 1983 _
Gordon’s Transports Inc Memphis TN 1983 _
Gross Common Carriers ?? late 1980s _
Hall’s Motor Transit Co. Harrisburg PA 1986 _
Hannibal-Quincy Truck Lines Inc. Quincy IL 1983 only LTL operations closed
Hemingway Transportation New Bedford MA 1982 _
Holmes Route USA Framingham MA? 1989 _
Horn’s Motor Express Inc. Chambersburg PA 1989 _
Illinois-California Express (ICX) Denver CO 1984 _
IML Freight Inc Salt Lake City,UT 1984 _
Intercity Transportation Easton MA 1980 _
Interstate Motor Freight System Grand Rapids, MI 1984 _
Johnson Motor Lines Charlotte NC 1980 _
Jones Motor Co Inc Spring City PA 1981 only LTL operations closed
Lee Way Motor Freight Inc. Oklahoma City OK 1985 _
Maislin Brothers Transport Ltd. La Salle, Que,CAN 1983 _
Mason & Dixon Lines Inc Kingsport TN 1984 _
McLean Trucking Co. Winston-Salem NC 1986 subsidiary of Meridian Express
Milne Truck Lines Inc Salt Lake City UT 1987 subsidiary of Sun Carriers Inc.
Motor Freight Express System York PA 1982 _
Murphy Motor Freight Lines Inc. St. Paul MN 1987 _
Mushroom Transportation Philadelphia PA 1986 _
Oneida Motor Freight Inc. Carlstadt NJ 1985 _
Pilot Freight Carriers Inc. Winston-Salem NC 1989 _
Quinn Freight Lines Brocton MA 1983 subsidiary of Maislin Brothers
Richmond Cartage Inc. ? 1983 subsidiary of Maislin Brothers
Rimes Trucking Co. Chardon OH early80s _
Ringsby Truck Lines Inc. Denver CO 1984 _
Smith’s Transfer Corp. Staunton VA 1988 purchased 1987 by American Freight System
Spector-Red Ball Dallas TX 1982 _
Sterling Transit Company Inc. Montebello CA 1989 _
Suburban Motor Freight Inc. Columbus OH 1987 _
System 99 Oakland CA 1987 _
Taynton’s Freight System Inc. Wellsboro PA 1985 _
T.I.M.E.-D.C. Inc. Lubbock TX 1988 _
Tose-Fowler Inc. Bridgeport PA 1989 _
Transport Motor Express Inc. Ft. Wayne IN 1980 _
Tucker Freight Lines South Bend IN 1983 _
Wilson Freight Co. Cincinnati OH 1980 _




LTL TRUCKING COMPANY BANKRUPTCIES & SHUTDOWNS
1990s

COMPANY HEADQUARTERS YEAR CEASED OPERATION NOTES
AAA Trenton NJ 1990 _
Allegheny Freight Lines Winchester VA 1990 _
ANR Advance Transportation Co. Milwaukee WI? 1998 _
Arrow Carrier Corp North Bergen NJ 1990 _
Atlanta Motor Lines Conley GA 1997 _
Bee Line Motor Freight Co. Omaha NE 1996 _
Be-Mac Transport Co St. Louis MO 1992 subsidiary of U.S. Truck Lines
Birmingham Nashville Express _ 1996 only LTL operations closed
Bowman Transportation Gadsden AL/Atlanta GA 1990 _
Brown Transport Corp. Atlanta GA/Charlotte NC 1990 Thurston Motor Lines bought 1987
Central Storage & Transfer Co. Harrisburg PA 1991 _
Charlton Brothers Hagerstown MD 1996 _
Churchill Truck Lines Inc Chillicothe MO 1994 _
Coles Express Inc. Bangor ME 1997 shut down, subsidiary of Roadway
Commercial Motor Freight Inc. of IN Indianapolis IN 1983 _
Edson Express Casper WY/Denver CO 1991 _
Fore-Way Express Inc. Wausau WI 1996 _
Friiedman’s Express Wilkes-Barre PA 1993 _
Holmes Freight Lines Omaha NE 1998 _
Hover Trucking Co. South Bend IN 1996 _
Hyman Freightways Inc. St. Paul MN 1997 _
Ideal Truck Lines Norton KS 1996 _
Inter-City Truck Lines Mississauga, Ont,CAN 1993 _
Interlink Freight Systems Toronto, Ont,CAN 1997 ex CP Express & Transport
Jones Truck Lines Inc. Springdale,AR 1991 subsidiary of Sun Carriers Inc.
Merchants Fast Motor Lines Inc Abilene TX 1997 _
Middlewest Freightways Inc. St. Louis MO 1992 acquired by Be-Mac 1992
Motorways Ltd Toronto, Ont,CAN 1993 subsidiary of Federal Industries
Nationsway Transport Services Commerce City CO 1999 _
North Penn Transfer Lansdale PA 1992 _
Penn Yan Express Penn Yan NY 1990 subsidiary of Consolidated Freightways
P.I.E. Nationwide Inc Jacksonville FL 1990 subsidiary of Olympia Holding Co.
Preston Trucking Inc. Preston MD 1999 _
Spartan Express Inc. Greer SC 1997 shut down, subsidiary of Roadway
Standard Trucking Co. Charlotte NC 1993 subsidiary of Sun Carriers Inc
St. Johnsbury Trucking Co Inc. St. Johnsbury VT 1993 subsidiary of Sun Carriers Inc.
Transcon Lines Los Angeles CA 1990 subsidiary of Olympia Holding Co.
Riss & Co. Inc Kansas City MO 1990 _
Willig Freight Lines San Francisco CA 1995 _




LTL TRUCKING COMPANY BANKRUPTCIES & SHUTDOWNS
2000s

COMPANY HEADQUARTERS YEAR CEASED OPERATION NOTES
A-P-A Transport Corp North Bergen NJ 2002 _
Alterman Transport Lines Opa Locka, FL 2003 _
Consolidated Freightways Corp. Vancouver WA 2002 _
Crescent Truck Lines Haywood CA 2003 _
Crouse Cartage Co. Carroll IA 2000 _
Guaranteed Overnite Delivery _ 2004 only LTL operations closed
H&W Motor Express Dubuque IA 2002 _
K&R Express Systems Blue Ridge IL 2004 _
Nussbaum Trucking Normal IL 2002 only LTL operations closed
Parker Motor Freight Grand Rapids MI 2004 _
Rudolf Express Bourbonais IL 2002 _
USF Red Star Newark NJ 2004 _

I don't believe this was the time to fight. And you can call me what ever you want. I'm like a duck it rolls off my back.
Why would anyone want to lose this job and go into the job marketplace. When we have a job that pays over 20 bucks an hour and paid Insurance????????????? I spoke to a woman the other day and she said I can get you a job with paid insurance no problem. Guess what the deductible was? $2900.
If we don't evolve we die.
TDU wants the UPS Freight guys to turn their contract down. Stupid. They were bought for a billion and could'nt sell it for half that.
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So in other words you have 25 years in so ride it out, accept whatever they throw at you & screw everyone else. You worked 1 day after the vote how do you know their is no plan B?
 
So what you are saying is it the Members fault YRC will close because we would not take it up the Hershey highway for the 3ed time?
Management didn't do a thing wrong eh?
The members put this company over a BILLION dollars in debt?
Your point of view assumes that the Members(Non Union workers also) would bail this mess out with more cuts and rule changes that would effect future Teamsters. With a Management team that took the last 2-3 years of pay cuts and basicily did nothing to reduce the debt! (Sounds like Congress right?)
I respect your point of view. Because when it comes right down to it the Members were the only place where they could find any cuts. But they didn't want to trim a little, They wanted to cut a frekin leg off!
As much as this pains me to say if YRC is going to go under then let it! Most of us would have worked with the Company. But what they offered? No! Way too much!
 
Voting Yes on a POS contract would save this company for how long? Until the next time a loan is due? This company didn't deserve a yes vote. They beat you up day after day, at every morning meeting about how bad you performed, they had no flexibility when it came to arriving late for work when traffic in the metro area was a nightmare, their archaic work rules when it came to safety, the blaming of all the problems of the company towards the Teamsters. These people couldn't manage themselves out of a paper bag. I'm not sure why they thought it would pass.
When would it all end for the people who voted yes? When all of your hard fought rights are gone? For what, just to keep your diminishing paycheck, and health coverage? If this companies culture was different by treating people with dignity and respect, and not trampling all of our rights then maybe the outcome would have been different.
 
Nope I am not saying it's the members fault. But we were the only ones that could save it. Sucks but it's true. The man closest to the task is the only one who really knows how to do it. It's the company's fault that we are here. It's Zollars and his board that would allow him to buy Roadway then Holland and the China thing. You guys keep talking about non union and how you are taking it up the arse with the change in work rules. But it's YRC and ABF vs Estes FedEx, Conway and the list goes on. So you are out numbered and still pound the table for all these work rules that the majority don't have. You are making demands from a postition of weakness. What has to be done is keep YRC and ABF going. Does mgmt make good decisions? Hell no. If YRC goes out sure you'll get up and go get another job. It won't be like this one. You won't make as much and you'll be paying for your insurance so if you stay at YRC you won't be taking it up the arse as bad as you think.But it has bigger implications than just your job brother. Local unions will have to merge. BA'S and staff will undoubtably lose their jobs too. And our pensions will take even a bigger hit. Do you think ABF will be able to last through this? They don't project to grow that much when YRC goes out. And they probably won't last to their next contract when their unfunded liability doubles and triples. So its not just about your job brother. It's way bigger than just that.
 
TonyMArdwy2018 said:
My biggest reason for voting yes. I trust my local. My life is in their hands.
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And there lies the biggest problem. That you and others feel like you're going to die when the YRC titty dries up. You won't but you might get thirsty for waiting too long. I know a large handful of former YRC employees personally, most of them at ABF now but some in non union jobs and none of them are unhappy with their decision to move on. Additionally many PJAX/Vitran drivers are out and about filling voids all over the country. I don't wish you out of business or out of a job but we are all sucked into this vortex and it needs to be stopped. ABF's yes voters didn't do their share and I am glad the guys at YRC finally said enough is enough. May this be the beginning of a better tomorrow for us all.
 
I know 100s of roadways guys that were put out when this 1st started . I know 100s more that were put out after the merge .
Some are still driving trucks ,many are not, but 1 thing I do know most if not all are still alive and working and the 1s I do talk to are happy they got out of this mess and are mostly happy doing whatever they do now and never look back.
 
longblade said:
I know 100s of roadways guys that were put out when this 1st started . I know 100s more that were put out after the merge .
Some are still driving trucks ,many are not, but 1 thing I do know most if not all are still alive and working and the 1s I do talk to are happy they got out of this mess and are mostly happy doing whatever they do now and never look back.
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Amen brother
 
Seamus20 said:
If there was no plan b ....they're worse management team then we thought & the gates would be locked already !!
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I doubt that that will happen as long as Welcher's pay check continues to clear.
 
longblade said:
I know 100s of roadways guys that were put out when this 1st started . I know 100s more that were put out after the merge .
Some are still driving trucks ,many are not, but 1 thing I do know most if not all are still alive and working and the 1s I do talk to are happy they got out of this mess and are mostly happy doing whatever they do now and never look back.
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People are resilient and for the most part will move on and make do regardless of what happens at any corporation. The bottom line here at YRCW - and it doesn't matter which way anyone voted - is that if they cease operations, Teamsters and organized labor in general will take a big hit at at time when private sector organized labor is on the decline in this country. Regardless of "yes" or "no" voting, that's the bigger issue.
 
Because there is'nt. Are you going to revote this that was already turned down? There won't be a revote. Do you think they will come back with a little more or a lot more to offer. They already said this is what the banks want. 100 mill in savings. So your not getting anymore. The bank just walks away we default and doors close. Bankrupt. There's your plan b
 
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TonyMArdwy2018 said:
Because there is'nt. Are you going to revote this that was already turned down? There won't be a revote. Do you think they will come back with a little more or a lot more to offer. They already said this is what the banks want. 100 mill in savings. So your not getting anymore. The bank just walks away we default and doors close. Bankrupt. There's your plan b
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after 25 years you still put your life in the hands of the Union and believe everything they say ! time you open your eyes! no wonder you believe everything the banks and the company says also. don't worry if they go down I have a bridge in Brooklyn you can invest in.
 
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