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If the unions disappeared so would our pension fund.every executive in the unions.would be running off with the money.then the labor pay would be reduced significantly.plus we would be forced to buy Obama care
 
If the unions disappeared so would our pension fund.every executive in the unions.would be running off with the money.then the labor pay would be reduced significantly.plus we would be forced to buy Obama care

Just to clarify, we are already forced to buy health insurance because of Obummercare.

Now if the unions want to survive, they better stop relying on government, and stop pushing a left wing quasi socialist agenda.

Because its the American people that are the ones saying no to unions.
 
Im not going to argue with what you have said stoney.ive seen this crapola before.when the economy is on the downward side of the business cycle.whether it was created by one party or the other.what entity does the establishment trash?thats right.Unions.some of these contracts were drawn up and signed.when things were hopping.add bad decisions and corruption on the part of state and local governments.with what little of good paying jobs left(our own governments chamber of commerce aids corporations into moving overseas).the establishment can strip us workers of our clothes and work for peanuts.i happento belong to a union representing freight.this is one industry that needs union representation.ive been on both sides of the fence.id rather die a union man.so when they eventually strip us of all of our rights.including the choice to organize.then i will be just like the rest of the non union labor.on my knees begging and smooching
 
If ya do a little research, youll find that the decline of unions followes the same exact decline of middle class wages.
Freightmaster, I came from Overnite, it makes me sick to see what we organized, fought and struck for was just given away here at YRC.
Stoney, If ya think the right wing, consertative republicans are the answer, ya need to wake up and smell the coffee....Both major political partys have been selling out the middle class.
 
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Stoney, If ya think the right wing, consertative republicans are the answer, ya need to wake up and smell the coffee....Both major political partys have been selling out the middle class.

Well, there is difference between conservatives and Republicans. Conservatism is a belief, Republicans is just party name.

I said or implied that Conservatism is the best best option we have, not to follow one party over another.
 
Unions are a good thing and they have driven up wages and put more people into the middle class. There is no doubt about that and very few will argue the point. What`s giving unions a bad name right now are the public sector unions that have pensions and benefits negiotiated for them that are far and above what we have in the private sector. These pensions and benefits were put in place thru negiotiations between the union and politicians that were willing to give anything to buy votes knowing that when these pensions and benefits came due they would be out of office and it would be someone`s else`s problem. Now the taxpayers are looking at unions with an unfavorable view because they are the one`s left holding the bag. The unions did their job by negiotiating great contracts for the public sector unions but the politicians went to the table with taxpayer money and now taxpayers are looking at all union,both public and private sector in the same negative light and that shouldn`t be. Public sector unionized employees are doing great and private sector employees are taking wage cuts,pension cuts and cuts to health ins. Government workers have always had fair wages and good benefits and some of the best job security and they should not be unionized. If anything brings the unions down,it will be contracts negiotiated on behalf of unionized government workers and the union`s involment in politics. There are 10s of thousands of private sector companies the unions could organize,but they chose to go after easy contracts with gov`t workers. If the unions woud go after some of the non-union campanies and organize,imagine how many more union members we would have and how much more power the union would have when negiotiating contracts. In my 35 years as a proud teamster,I never imagined unions would ever be as unpopular as it seems to be today. To all the TB members I **** off with this post,I apologize,but I felt had to put my 2 cents in.
 
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Just to clarify, we are already forced to buy health insurance because of Obummercare.

Now if the unions want to survive, they better stop relying on government, and stop pushing a left wing quasi socialist agenda.

Because its the American people that are the ones saying no to unions.
Stoney , I am interested in your comments about the unions and a left wing quasi socialist agenda . I watched and read many articles that Hoffa and Leo Garrard have commented on and from what I saw was how to bring back the jobs and better the lives of its and would be members . Its sounds as if your implying that the teamsters and others are pro gay , abortionist and a host of other crazy crap issues . Next time you see Hoffa on the T V see where is is promoting an abnormal life style . I have yet to see it . Fact is I wish he would live up to what he speaks of .
 
Stoney , I am interested in your comments about the unions and a left wing quasi socialist agenda . I watched and read many articles that Hoffa and Leo Garrard have commented on and from what I saw was how to bring back the jobs and better the lives of its and would be members . Its sounds as if your implying that the teamsters and others are pro gay , abortionist and a host of other crazy crap issues . Next time you see Hoffa on the T V see where is is promoting an abnormal life style . I have yet to see it . Fact is I wish he would live up to what he speaks of .

When I say quasi socialist agenda, I'm talking about economic issues. Not social agendas.

I have heard Hoffa Jr push a universal health plan, I have read in my News Letter the Rocky Mountain Teamster our union leaders push universal health plan.
I have see not just the Teamsters but man other unions support socialist politicians, like Obama.
I have see union leaders push for more spending on green energy. I have seen many union leaders and members push for nationalizing many industries like oil.

Again Pup, I'm not talking about social issues. Just economic issues.
 
When I say quasi socialist agenda, I'm talking about economic issues. Not social agendas.

I have heard Hoffa Jr push a universal health plan, I have read in my News Letter the Rocky Mountain Teamster our union leaders push universal health plan.
I have see not just the Teamsters but man other unions support socialist politicians, like Obama.
I have see union leaders push for more spending on green energy. I have seen many union leaders and members push for nationalizing many industries like oil.

Again Pup, I'm not talking about social issues. Just economic issues.
Well Stoney , there are two issues you mentioned and they are universal health care and green energy . I think that if the cost of medical weren't so high and getting hirer every year there probably wouldn't be talk of universal health care and I think that some of that blame goes to ceo's like Steven Hemsley of United Health care getting payed a hundred three thousand dollars an hour help to add to the high cost of medical insurance as our premiums go up . As far as green energy ,whats wrong with looking for alternative energy instead of getting ***** at the gas pump . At one time the gasoline engine replaced the horse and may be its time to replace gas with an other source . I'am sure that the big oil companies will have their stake in what ever comes to replace gas . They will do just fine .
 
Stoney, you do realize that health care costs from 1999 to 2009 have risen 130% right? Our insurance contributions from the co. is now damn near 300 bucks a week. This is part of our compensation and if they didn't have to pay that much, we would have more in our paychecks.
On the gas issue, when was the last time ya remember the big oil co's having gas wars? They don't because they figured out that if they get together and “fix” the price instead of competing, they all win, making billions of dollars plus getting subsides from the government and who pays for that? We do.

The average working family’s income is finite, in other words, you can only make so much money. Now, there are certain expenses that have to come out of that income; housing, food, utility’s, transportation, health care, etc... When something in this chain increases, something else has to decrease so, when the oil co's decide to increase the cost of gas, just because they can, we have less to spend on other essentials. The same goes for health care, as it increases, somethings have to decrease.

I'm not saying that the liberals are right and the conservatives are wrong or vice a versa, what I am saying is that at best, there are damn few elected officials that understand this and are willing to step up and look out for OUR (the middle, working class) best interests and like a good friend of mine said, “When they kill off the middle class, who's gona pay the bills?”.
 
Sgt. Schultz,
Have you ever thought that their pay, pensions and benny's aren’t so much out of line as ours have deteriorated to the point that they look out of line?
I was talking with a non-union friend of mine a few days ago and he was bitching about unions- UAW, saying 30 bucks an hour was way to much, etc... I explained to him that when YRC first proposed a pay concision that I had done some research and had found out that in fact we had lost about 15% of our buying power because the pay increases that our Union had negotiated had not kept up with the real cost of living (1999 to 2008) and with the 10% give back, we were now at 25% less income. This spurred me to research more and I found that it wasn’t only us that were not keeping up but, in-fact the middle class as a whole, to the point that millions upon millions more working, middle class family's are now working poor.
I think if you would take a objective look at it you will find that in fact these Unions have maintained their members “way of life” while others...well... not so much.
 
Well Stoney , there are two issues you mentioned and they are universal health care and green energy . I think that if the cost of medical weren't so high and getting hirer every year there probably wouldn't be talk of universal health care and I think that some of that blame goes to ceo's like Steven Hemsley of United Health care getting payed a hundred three thousand dollars an hour help to add to the high cost of medical insurance as our premiums go up . As far as green energy ,whats wrong with looking for alternative energy instead of getting ***** at the gas pump . At one time the gasoline engine replaced the horse and may be its time to replace gas with an other source . I'am sure that the big oil companies will have their stake in what ever comes to replace gas . They will do just fine .


I'm all for healthcare reform, but will never be for Universal heath care. I don;t government deciding what care I should get. I don't want to have to wait nearly 2 years for a knew replacement, 6 months for an MRI or almost a year for a Cardiac Bypass. I could go on. But you get the point. I really don't care what some CEO gets paid that really has little effect on premiums and such.
We need more free market principles, and competition in the health industry. That will help being premiums down and increase quality.

And I have nothing against green energy. But like coal and oil, it needs to survive on its own. The reason the gasoline engine replaced the horse and buggy was it greatly increased productivity and people just wanted a car with a gasoline engine over a horse and buggy. The public demanded it. It didn't take government money or influence. The advancements in coal and oil was done largely with private investments. And I don't believe I'm getting ***** at the pump. See I chose a life that requires a car. In doing so, I chose the need to buy fuel. I could choose another life as a hermit, with in the woods and live off the land that requires no car, but I didn't. I decided to live like a human If the times comes where green energy can replace coal and oil, thats fine, but it has to be because the public demanded it.

Right now green energy isn't near as productive or efficient as coal and oil. It cost twice as much, and doesn't provide the same amount of energy. Look at windmills, it takes hundreds of acre's to generate the same power as a coal plant sitting on maybe 30 or so acre's.

Basically, the gas engine was better than a horse, but green energy isn't better then coal and oil. And its not the Federal governments job to invest in industry like this. If green energy is go great, then the private sector would be investing in it.

Besides, why the rush? We have 200 to 300 years of oil still in the ground.
 
Stoney, you do realize that health care costs from 1999 to 2009 have risen 130% right? Our insurance contributions from the co. is now damn near 300 bucks a week. This is part of our compensation and if they didn't have to pay that much, we would have more in our paychecks.
On the gas issue, when was the last time ya remember the big oil co's having gas wars? They don't because they figured out that if they get together and “fix” the price instead of competing, they all win, making billions of dollars plus getting subsides from the government and who pays for that? We do.

The average working family’s income is finite, in other words, you can only make so much money. Now, there are certain expenses that have to come out of that income; housing, food, utility’s, transportation, health care, etc... When something in this chain increases, something else has to decrease so, when the oil co's decide to increase the cost of gas, just because they can, we have less to spend on other essentials. The same goes for health care, as it increases, somethings have to decrease.

I'm not saying that the liberals are right and the conservatives are wrong or vice a versa, what I am saying is that at best, there are damn few elected officials that understand this and are willing to step up and look out for OUR (the middle, working class) best interests and like a good friend of mine said, “When they kill off the middle class, who's gona pay the bills?”.


Ya I realize the cost of insurance has gone up. But Obummercare wasn't the answer. You violate my constitutional freedoms and rights to fix a problem.

There's no competition in big oil? Really? So all these companies are working together?
List of oil exploration and production companies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Africa

Algeria Sonatrach
Angola Sonangol Group
Republic of the Congo National Petroleum Company of the Congo
Egypt Vegas Oil and Gas
Libya Arabian Gulf Oil Company
Libya National Oil Corporation
Nigeria Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation
South Africa Sasol
Sudan Sudapet
Tunisia Entreprise Tunisienne d'Activites Petroliere
Madagascar Madagascar Oil

Americas

Argentina Bridas Corporation
Argentina Enarsa
Argentina YPF
Bolivia YPFB
Brazil Petrobras
Brazil OGX
Canada Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Canada Encana
Canada Husky Energy
Canada Imperial Oil
Canada Laricina Energy
Canada Nexen
Canada Pacific Rubiales Energy
Canada PetroKazakhstan
Canada Suncor Energy
Canada Syncrude
Canada Talisman Energy
Chile Empresa Nacional del Petróleo
Colombia Ecopetrol
Cuba Cupet
Ecuador Petroecuador
Mexico Petróleos Mexicanos
Peru Petroperú
Trinidad and Tobago Petrotrin
United States Anadarko Petroleum Corporation
United States Apache Corporation
United States Chevron Corporation
United States ConocoPhillips
United States Continental Resources
United States Devon Energy
United States ExxonMobil
United States Greka Energy
United States Hess Corporation
United States HKN, Inc.
United States Koch Industries
United States Marathon Oil
United States Murphy Oil
United States Occidental Petroleum
United States Plains Exploration & Production
United States SandRidge Energy
United States Vaalco Energy
United States XTO Energy
Uruguay ANCAP
Venezuela Petróleos de Venezuela

Asia

Azerbaijan Azerbaijan International Operating Company
Azerbaijan State Oil Company of Azerbaijan Republic
Bahrain Bahrain Petroleum Company
Bangladesh Petrobangla
Burma Myanma Oil and Gas Enterprise
China CNOOC
China PetroChina
China Sinopec
India Gujarat State Petroleum Corporation
India Oil and Natural Gas Corporation
India Oil India
India Essar Oil
India Reliance Industries
Indonesia MedcoEnergi
Indonesia Pertamina
Indonesia PT Lapindo Brantas
Iran National Iranian Oil Company
Iraq North Oil Company
Iraq South Oil Company
Iraq Missan Oil Company
Iraq Midland Oil Company
Israel Delek Group
Israel Isramco
Israel Modiin Energy
Japan Inpex
Japan JAPEX
Japan Nippon Oil
Kazakhstan KazMunayGas
Kuwait Kuwait Oil Company
Lebanon Consolidated Contractors Company
Malaysia Petronas
Oman Petroleum Development Oman
Pakistan Oil and Gas Development Company
Pakistan Pakistan Petroleum
Pakistan Mari Gas Company
Philippines Petron
Qatar Qatar Petroleum
Saudi Arabia Saudi Aramco
Singapore Singapore Petroleum Company
Sri Lanka Ceylon Petroleum Corporation
South Korea Korea National Oil Corporation
Taiwan CPC Corporation, Taiwan
Thailand PTT Public Company Limited
United Arab Emirates ADNOC
United Arab Emirates ENOC
Vietnam Petrovietnam
Vietnam Vietsovpetro

Australia and Oceania

Australia BHP Billiton
Australia Santos
Australia Woodside Petroleum
New Zealand Todd Energy
Australia Origin Energy

Europe

Austria OMV
Bulgaria Petrol AD
Croatia INA – Industrija Nafte
Czech Republic Moravské naftové doly
Denmark DONG Energy
Denmark Maersk Oil
Faroe Islands Atlantic Petroleum
France Total S.A.
Germany RWE Dea
Germany Wintershall
Greece Hellenic Petroleum
Hungary MOL Group
Italy Eni
Moldova Ascom Group
Netherlands/United Kingdom Royal Dutch Shell
Norway DNO International
Norway Statoil
Poland Grupa Lotos
Poland PGNiG
Poland PKN Orlen
Portugal Galp Energia
Romania Petrom
Romania Rompetrol
Russia Bashneft
Russia Gazprom Neft
Russia Lukoil
Russia Rosneft
Russia Russneft
Russia Sibir Energy
Russia Surgutneftegas
Russia Tatneft
Russia TNK-BP
Serbia Naftna Industrija Srbije
Spain Compañía Española de Petróleos
Spain Repsol YPF
Sweden Lundin Petroleum
Turkey Türkiye Petrolleri Anonim Ortaklığı
Turkey Çalık Enerji
Ukraine Ukrnafta
United Kingdom BG Group
United Kingdom BP
United Kingdom Cairn Energy
United Kingdom Perenco
United Kingdom Premier Oil
United Kingdom Salamander Energy
United Kingdom Stone Enterprises
United Kingdom Tullow Oil





The fact that you believe they have worked together and fix the gas prices tells me a lot about the ignorance of your state of mind. Its also just laughable. Do you realize that the oil companies only make 6 to 8 cents per gallon on gas sold in America, while government from the states to the Federal government receive 48 to 50 cents per gallon sold. And you're worried about big oil???

Government made more profit on gasoline than ExxonMobil in 3Q - Gasbuddy Gas Prices

Who is "gouging" Whom at the Pumps?
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http://www.allamericanblogger.com/1...-gallon-of-gas-vs-taxes-collected-per-gallon/
BTW, the oil companies receive zero subsidies. A tax break isn't a subsidy.
 
Sgt. Schultz,
Have you ever thought that their pay, pensions and benny's aren’t so much out of line as ours have deteriorated to the point that they look out of line?
I was talking with a non-union friend of mine a few days ago and he was bitching about unions- UAW, saying 30 bucks an hour was way to much, etc... I explained to him that when YRC first proposed a pay concision that I had done some research and had found out that in fact we had lost about 15% of our buying power because the pay increases that our Union had negotiated had not kept up with the real cost of living (1999 to 2008) and with the 10% give back, we were now at 25% less income. This spurred me to research more and I found that it wasn’t only us that were not keeping up but, in-fact the middle class as a whole, to the point that millions upon millions more working, middle class family's are now working poor.
I think if you would take a objective look at it you will find that in fact these Unions have maintained their members “way of life” while others...well... not so much.

Unions should only negotiate against profits not tax money. There is too much conflict interest with the politicians doing the negotiations.
F.D.R. Warned Us About Public Sector Unions - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com


F.D.R. Warned Us
“It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”

That wasn’t Newt Gingrich, or Ron Paul, or Ronald Reagan talking. That was George Meany -- the former president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O -- in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd.
 
"Ya I realize the cost of insurance has gone up. But Obummercare wasn't the answer. You violate my constitutional freedoms and rights to fix a problem."

Never said it was and am in fact against mandatory health care as it is today. So my question to you is what is the conservative answer?


"The fact that you believe they have worked together and fix the gas prices tells me a lot about the ignorance of your state of mind. Its also just laughable. Do you realize that the oil companies only make 6 to 8 cents per gallon on gas sold in America, while government from the states to the Federal government receive 48 to 50 cents per gallon sold. And you're worried about big oil???"

Lol, "my igorance and state of mind" huh? So.....when was the last "gas war".
“The six biggest publicly traded oil companies reported a total of more than $38 billion in first-quarter profits.”-CNNMoney.
That’s a quarter, not a year, a quarter, one forth of a year.
Your statement shows just where your head is at and I'd sugest that ya pull it out and look around a little.
 
Unions should only negotiate against profits not tax money. There is too much conflict interest with the politicians doing the negotiations.
F.D.R. Warned Us About Public Sector Unions - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com


So....if your working for any goverenment agency you have no rights????? Wow, and your Union? No wonder we are in trouble.
 
Unions should only negotiate against profits not tax money. There is too much conflict interest with the politicians doing the negotiations.
F.D.R. Warned Us About Public Sector Unions - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com


So....if your working for any goverenment agency you have no rights????? Wow, and your Union? No wonder we are in trouble.

We (the taxpayers) are in trouble because public sector unions don't negotiate with any "owners" of the so called "company" they work for. They don't produce a product and the "company" they work for is us - the public, and we have no say in their pay and benefits. They negotiate with politicians who have a vested interest in giving them generous rewards so that they get their votes to get re-elected. That my friend is the problem with all public sector unions. The basic purpose of unions is for the workers to get an equitable share of the company profits. There are no profits, only costs in the public sector. If you can't understand that, you my friend are in trouble!
 
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Boulder Brain was going to contract with Fed-Ex ground and make his fortune, yet years later he is still ranting on about the same old crap. Want to be Rush Limbo kinda Guy.
 
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