Yellow | When Do You Question Leadership?

[Toby]

When do you question leadership? Would you question leadership if they used strong arm tactics to get a contract passed that has no clear definition and allows companies to change work rules and definitions of what the employee is required to perform at there discretion? Would you question leadership if it was found that during a ongoing contract the president and vice president of the local went and made a side deal with one of the companies in negotiations outside of the negotiating committee without notifying the committee or the officers on the committee until after the deal was made?

Would you question the intent and purpose of a international that pushed for a contract that has harmed the overall membership with an increasing layoff rate and no clear protections for job security? Would you question the way that some local officials succumbed to pressures from above and forced the general membership to settle on a contract that they new in their hearts was not going to benefit no one except the company with to much gray area language?

I question the leadership for setting us down the path that brings us away from all that we have fought for in previous contracts , I question the leadership when it allows employees to lose the umbrella of protection that was previously had by all in a local and given away to a committee outside of the realm of said local.
I question leadership that as recently found out in the on going L705 negotiations the President and the Vice President is said to have made a deal with ABF outside of the negotiation committees on going meetings that would allow the Utility driver language to be given to said company when it is not even on the table for any of the other companies in the local , I question the motivation of said leadership to go around the committee and the committee chairmen and chief negotiator , I question if this leadership is actually for the members or for the leadership and the companies when they ask the membership to hold tough and to tow the line when they themselves backstabbed all in the local by conducting and dealing in backroom tactics.


Do you question the leadership of your locals and the leadership of the international with the way the current contract is shaping out? How many Line haul drivers are laid off where you are , how many of them do you think will be recalled? Do you think that any new Line haul drivers will be hired in the future or will they all be Utility , how many dock men do you think will be hired full time or will it all be moved and reclassified as casual work ? We have seen our leadership sell Unionism down the road to move us into non union work parameters , protections , and working conditions . How many change of operations are we to expect , are we to see the reclassifications continue until all employees will be either utility or casuals , are we to expect the leadership to finally take a stand and say that the gray areas need to be clearly defined ? Or are we to expect the backroom deals to continue until the leadership sells the general membership completely down the river?

“Ethics must begin at the top of an organization. It is a leadership issue and the chief executive must set the example.”
Edward Hennessy

 

[imported_Bowbender]

From what I have been hearing our own union leadership are the ones who came up with the UE idea. The comany wanted line-haul to do there own fright drops & drop & hooks. The union knowing yellow & roadway would not go for this came up with the UE idea. The company jumped all over it, do you think there sitting back laughing at our union leadership right now?

 

[Vwaggs]

Remember your thoughts when its time for the IBT election.

 

[jarhead13]

When do you question leadership? Would you question leadership if they used strong arm tactics to get a contract passed that has no clear definition and allows companies to change work rules and definitions of what the employee is required to perform at there discretion? Would you question leadership if it was found that during a ongoing contract the president and vice president of the local went and made a side deal with one of the companies in negotiations outside of the negotiating committee without notifying the committee or the officers on the committee until after the deal was made?

Would you question the intent and purpose of a international that pushed for a contract that has harmed the overall membership with an increasing layoff rate and no clear protections for job security? Would you question the way that some local officials succumbed to pressures from above and forced the general membership to settle on a contract that they new in their hearts was not going to benefit no one except the company with to much gray area language?

I question the leadership for setting us down the path that brings us away from all that we have fought for in previous contracts , I question the leadership when it allows employees to lose the umbrella of protection that was previously had by all in a local and given away to a committee outside of the realm of said local.
I question leadership that as recently found out in the on going L705 negotiations the President and the Vice President is said to have made a deal with ABF outside of the negotiation committees on going meetings that would allow the Utility driver language to be given to said company when it is not even on the table for any of the other companies in the local , I question the motivation of said leadership to go around the committee and the committee chairmen and chief negotiator , I question if this leadership is actually for the members or for the leadership and the companies when they ask the membership to hold tough and to tow the line when they themselves backstabbed all in the local by conducting and dealing in backroom tactics.


Do you question the leadership of your locals and the leadership of the international with the way the current contract is shaping out? How many Line haul drivers are laid off where you are , how many of them do you think will be recalled? Do you think that any new Line haul drivers will be hired in the future or will they all be Utility , how many dock men do you think will be hired full time or will it all be moved and reclassified as casual work ? We have seen our leadership sell Unionism down the road to move us into non union work parameters , protections , and working conditions . How many change of operations are we to expect , are we to see the reclassifications continue until all employees will be either utility or casuals , are we to expect the leadership to finally take a stand and say that the gray areas need to be clearly defined ? Or are we to expect the backroom deals to continue until the leadership sells the general membership completely down the river?

“Ethics must begin at the top of an organization. It is a leadership issue and the chief executive must set the example.”
Edward Hennessy

I agree 100%. Great post!

 

[Toby]

Remember your thoughts when its time for the IBT election.

You are exactly correct , this time around though many are not going to be so complacent and forget how our leadership has conducted themselves.

One has to wonder why it came about that members of the general membership came to sit on negotiation boards in the first place.

They came to sit on negotiation boards for the very reason of back room deals and to keep the membership informed of what is actually going on and to try to hold the leadership to show accountability in the decisions it makes for the good or bad of it's membership. In the past this was a common held practice of leadership to strike deals with management or with the companies, but one has to question what the motivation of our current leadership in striking deals that actually move us backward instead of forwards with the national contract that is allowing the companies to go about eliminating so many positions and move us in the direction of non union standards. The striking thing is not all contracts have been settled and L705 has been in dispute for along time now , members have been told to hold tough and be prepared for a possible work action , when the time came to vote on a strike authorization all members were represented and came together unanimously to show unity and to unite together to stand for what they believed in to get the best contract for all and not settle to be divided.

It was not only Holland, Yellow , or Roadway drivers that placed their trust and faith in the leadership to deliver a united front and deliver the best contract for the membership but also our brothers at ABF. They did not go into negotiations independently there members sit on the committee board and to have leadership go behind the backs of those still in negotiations is un acceptable and won't easily be forgotten at election time neither will all those who remember friends we no longer have working with us due to the internationals approval of a contract that is clearly not designed to protect members or keep the faith of what unions were all about and that is to better the conditions and environment of the working man not the conditions and environment to allow gray language and consistently changing work rules and operations.

So yes I will remember my thoughts come election time and I urge others to remember this contract year come election time , because as the old saying goes your worst enemy is the enemy from within who only has there agenda at heart and not the agenda that benefits all especially when it deals with a brotherhood a international brotherhood of Teamsters!

 

[imported_Metal Head]

When do you question leadership? Would you question leadership if they used strong arm tactics to get a contract passed that has no clear definition and allows companies to change work rules and definitions of what the employee is required to perform at there discretion? Would you question leadership if it was found that during a ongoing contract the president and vice president of the local went and made a side deal with one of the companies in negotiations outside of the negotiating committee without notifying the committee or the officers on the committee until after the deal was made?

Would you question the intent and purpose of a international that pushed for a contract that has harmed the overall membership with an increasing layoff rate and no clear protections for job security? Would you question the way that some local officials succumbed to pressures from above and forced the general membership to settle on a contract that they new in their hearts was not going to benefit no one except the company with to much gray area language?

I question the leadership for setting us down the path that brings us away from all that we have fought for in previous contracts , I question the leadership when it allows employees to lose the umbrella of protection that was previously had by all in a local and given away to a committee outside of the realm of said local.
I question leadership that as recently found out in the on going L705 negotiations the President and the Vice President is said to have made a deal with ABF outside of the negotiation committees on going meetings that would allow the Utility driver language to be given to said company when it is not even on the table for any of the other companies in the local , I question the motivation of said leadership to go around the committee and the committee chairmen and chief negotiator , I question if this leadership is actually for the members or for the leadership and the companies when they ask the membership to hold tough and to tow the line when they themselves backstabbed all in the local by conducting and dealing in backroom tactics.


Do you question the leadership of your locals and the leadership of the international with the way the current contract is shaping out? How many Line haul drivers are laid off where you are , how many of them do you think will be recalled? Do you think that any new Line haul drivers will be hired in the future or will they all be Utility , how many dock men do you think will be hired full time or will it all be moved and reclassified as casual work ? We have seen our leadership sell Unionism down the road to move us into non union work parameters , protections , and working conditions . How many change of operations are we to expect , are we to see the reclassifications continue until all employees will be either utility or casuals , are we to expect the leadership to finally take a stand and say that the gray areas need to be clearly defined ? Or are we to expect the backroom deals to continue until the leadership sells the general membership completely down the river?

“Ethics must begin at the top of an organization. It is a leadership issue and the chief executive must set the example.”
Edward Hennessy

Great post, I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees what is happening and will post the truth, as you have... oh and by the way I am one of those laid off road drivers, with 8 years seniority...

 

[teamster02]

When do you question leadership? Would you question leadership if they used strong arm tactics to get a contract passed that has no clear definition and allows companies to change work rules and definitions of what the employee is required to perform at there discretion? Would you question leadership if it was found that during a ongoing contract the president and vice president of the local went and made a side deal with one of the companies in negotiations outside of the negotiating committee without notifying the committee or the officers on the committee until after the deal was made?

Would you question the intent and purpose of a international that pushed for a contract that has harmed the overall membership with an increasing layoff rate and no clear protections for job security? Would you question the way that some local officials succumbed to pressures from above and forced the general membership to settle on a contract that they new in their hearts was not going to benefit no one except the company with to much gray area language?

I question the leadership for setting us down the path that brings us away from all that we have fought for in previous contracts , I question the leadership when it allows employees to lose the umbrella of protection that was previously had by all in a local and given away to a committee outside of the realm of said local.
I question leadership that as recently found out in the on going L705 negotiations the President and the Vice President is said to have made a deal with ABF outside of the negotiation committees on going meetings that would allow the Utility driver language to be given to said company when it is not even on the table for any of the other companies in the local , I question the motivation of said leadership to go around the committee and the committee chairmen and chief negotiator , I question if this leadership is actually for the members or for the leadership and the companies when they ask the membership to hold tough and to tow the line when they themselves backstabbed all in the local by conducting and dealing in backroom tactics.


Do you question the leadership of your locals and the leadership of the international with the way the current contract is shaping out? How many Line haul drivers are laid off where you are , how many of them do you think will be recalled? Do you think that any new Line haul drivers will be hired in the future or will they all be Utility , how many dock men do you think will be hired full time or will it all be moved and reclassified as casual work ? We have seen our leadership sell Unionism down the road to move us into non union work parameters , protections , and working conditions . How many change of operations are we to expect , are we to see the reclassifications continue until all employees will be either utility or casuals , are we to expect the leadership to finally take a stand and say that the gray areas need to be clearly defined ? Or are we to expect the backroom deals to continue until the leadership sells the general membership completely down the river?

“Ethics must begin at the top of an organization. It is a leadership issue and the chief executive must set the example.”
Edward Hennessy

That was the best post I have ever seen on this board!

 

[Northern Flash]

When do you question leadership? Would you question leadership if they used strong arm tactics to get a contract passed that has no clear definition and allows companies to change work rules and definitions of what the employee is required to perform at there discretion? Would you question leadership if it was found that during a ongoing contract the president and vice president of the local went and made a side deal with one of the companies in negotiations outside of the negotiating committee without notifying the committee or the officers on the committee until after the deal was made?

Would you question the intent and purpose of a international that pushed for a contract that has harmed the overall membership with an increasing layoff rate and no clear protections for job security? Would you question the way that some local officials succumbed to pressures from above and forced the general membership to settle on a contract that they new in their hearts was not going to benefit no one except the company with to much gray area language?

I question the leadership for setting us down the path that brings us away from all that we have fought for in previous contracts , I question the leadership when it allows employees to lose the umbrella of protection that was previously had by all in a local and given away to a committee outside of the realm of said local.
I question leadership that as recently found out in the on going L705 negotiations the President and the Vice President is said to have made a deal with ABF outside of the negotiation committees on going meetings that would allow the Utility driver language to be given to said company when it is not even on the table for any of the other companies in the local , I question the motivation of said leadership to go around the committee and the committee chairmen and chief negotiator , I question if this leadership is actually for the members or for the leadership and the companies when they ask the membership to hold tough and to tow the line when they themselves backstabbed all in the local by conducting and dealing in backroom tactics.


Do you question the leadership of your locals and the leadership of the international with the way the current contract is shaping out? How many Line haul drivers are laid off where you are , how many of them do you think will be recalled? Do you think that any new Line haul drivers will be hired in the future or will they all be Utility , how many dock men do you think will be hired full time or will it all be moved and reclassified as casual work ? We have seen our leadership sell Unionism down the road to move us into non union work parameters , protections , and working conditions . How many change of operations are we to expect , are we to see the reclassifications continue until all employees will be either utility or casuals , are we to expect the leadership to finally take a stand and say that the gray areas need to be clearly defined ? Or are we to expect the backroom deals to continue until the leadership sells the general membership completely down the river?

“Ethics must begin at the top of an organization. It is a leadership issue and the chief executive must set the example.”
Edward Hennessy

Ya'll be sure to send TOBY some rep. points. I can't give him anymore. That is a GREAT POST!

 

[Benny Hill]

Wow, I bet you've spent all your casino cash too. I''ll shoot him a couple for you, you can pay me back next Friday, when you get paid, lol. It was a great post NF. WTG Toby.

 

[big papa]

Awesome post.

 

[wolf]

This won't go over well but we have nobody to blame but ourselves. 67% voted for this so why blame the leadership? If the yes voters were too busy or too ignorant to see what might happen then who's to blame? Nothing to do now but suck it up guys. I remember well getting bashed before last elections, along with many others, about getting rid of the current leaders. Not many agreed with me. And I'll make a prediction. Next Union election the membership will end up doing the same thing because change scares the chit out of them. And all you will hear is what happened last time we voted for someone not in the circle, nothing about how good our man is now. Ya, I know, IT STINKS. Just my opinion guys so don't hate me too much.

 

[Toby]

This time around more will remember what went down this contract year.

And yes the blame for it can be spread around to those who voted yes and did not hold out for a contract that was more defining and to the betterment of the membership , but the ultimate blame goes to those who orchestrated it in the first place and placed the pressures on to get it through.

The question is how many of us will be left to hold them accountable for this and other questionable actions.

 

[Benny Hill]

This won't go over well but we have nobody to blame but ourselves. 67% voted for this so why blame the leadership? If the yes voters were too busy or too ignorant to see what might happen then who's to blame? Nothing to do now but suck it up guys. I remember well getting bashed before last elections, along with many others, about getting rid of the current leaders. Not many agreed with me. And I'll make a prediction. Next Union election the membership will end up doing the same thing because change scares the chit out of them. And all you will hear is what happened last time we voted for someone not in the circle, nothing about how good our man is now. Ya, I know, IT STINKS. Just my opinion guys so don't hate me too much.

Allegedly, "67% voted for this so why blame the leadership?" I still don't believe it? I hope you're wrong about the next election but you're probably right. Nice post.

 

[Toby]

Benny can't agree more it was a good post.

And both leadership and membership are in question this time around and should be in question but it starts at the top and we LET it happen and we settle without the proper checks and balances, but that is what needs changing and the only way that will happen is if we decide to stay active and demand changes in the way we want all aspects of this Union and this Brotherhood to move forward , and to look within ourselves and to reinforce and remind our fellow Brothers and Sisters The values and the privileges of what it means to belong to the fraternity and the fellowship.

We also have to have the fortitude to question and reprimand in whatever capacity available to us when it comes to the direction that the leadership is , has , or might lead us towards and if there was a breakdown in ethics this also needs and should be addressed in like fashion.

Only you and I and our fellow brothers can make the difference and truly decide what is in our best interests and to what direction that we will allow to be guided in. And who will lead us. Some times long memories are the most dangerous and effective way to send a message no matter what the direction the message might lead in , to effect true change where change might be required.

 

[teamster02]

Benny can't agree more it was a good post.

And both leadership and membership are in question this time around and should be in question but it starts at the top and we LET it happen and we settle without the proper checks and balances, but that is what needs changing and the only way that will happen is if we decide to stay active and demand changes in the way we want all aspects of this Union and this Brotherhood to move forward , and to look within ourselves and to reinforce and remind our fellow Brothers and Sisters The values and the privileges of what it means to belong to the fraternity and the fellowship.

We also have to have the fortitude to question and reprimand in whatever capacity available to us when it comes to the direction that the leadership is , has , or might lead us towards and if there was a breakdown in ethics this also needs and should be addressed in like fashion.

Only you and I and our fellow brothers can make the difference and truly decide what is in our best interests and to what direction that we will allow to be guided in. And who will lead us. Some times long memories are the most dangerous and effective way to send a message no matter what the direction the message might lead in , to effect true change where change might be required.

Toby, you seem like a very intelligent guy. Have you done anything yourself to get the ball rolling in this area? I'm not being sarcastic, just wondering if you have acted on your insight into these matters.

 

[Benny Hill]

If you are one that wants to know both good and bad things, go to the Roadway forum and click on Central States Loses 3 BILLIONNNNNNN. The good news is that its from TDU and maybe its not as bad as they would lead us to believe. The bad news is that its probably true.

 

[Toby]

Toby, you seem like a very intelligent guy. Have you done anything yourself to get the ball rolling in this area? I'm not being sarcastic, just wondering if you have acted on your insight into these matters.

Engaging in conversations with my fellow Brothers and Sisters and keeping a voice alive and active is one of the ways I , and others are getting the ball rolling and keeping our fellow Brothers and Sisters more informed and to facilitate the exchange of information as is this forum and others .

It does not take much to forget , but it takes much to remember just look at things like the threads that are posted on this forum , the discussions within and the debate throughout , listen to the conversations in the break rooms , and the discussions you have with your fellow brothers at different company's at stops , or any other place you come across them , follow the news , and releases , and any other source you might come across. And then the sharing of what each and every one of these resources combined with others , is the way that I and others will do, have done , and continue to do to keep the memories alive , a example is the post that Benny Hill posted prior to this one it showed the leadership to once again move us in a poor direction and that is just but one example.

So the answer is yes , just to engage and invoke thought in others is but a small act that might help others and myself to rectify matters when the time comes , just as others here and elsewhere have helped me with their insights and provocations of thought and information.

 

[jarhead13]

Engaging in conversations with my fellow Brothers and Sisters and keeping a voice alive and active is one of the ways I , and others are getting the ball rolling and keeping our fellow Brothers and Sisters more informed and to facilitate the exchange of information as is this forum and others .

It does not take much to forget , but it takes much to remember just look at things like the threads that are posted on this forum , the discussions within and the debate throughout , listen to the conversations in the break rooms , and the discussions you have with your fellow brothers at different company's at stops , or any other place you come across them , follow the news , and releases , and any other source you might come across. And then the sharing of what each and every one of these resources combined with others , is the way that I and others will do, have done , and continue to do to keep the memories alive , a example is the post that Benny Hill posted prior to this one it showed the leadership to once again move us in a poor direction and that is just but one example.

So the answer is yes , just to engage and invoke thought in others is but a small act that might help others and myself to rectify matters when the time comes , just as others here and elsewhere have helped me with their insights and provocations of thought and information.

Has anyone thought about the NLRB and filing charges against the Union and the Company for unfair Labor practices?

 

[Osprey]

Invoke, provoke and take a toke?

Engaging in conversations with my fellow Brothers and Sisters and keeping a voice alive and active is one of the ways I , and others are getting the ball rolling and keeping our fellow Brothers and Sisters more informed and to facilitate the exchange of information as is this forum and others .

It does not take much to forget , but it takes much to remember just look at things like the threads that are posted on this forum , the discussions within and the debate throughout , listen to the conversations in the break rooms , and the discussions you have with your fellow brothers at different company's at stops , or any other place you come across them , follow the news , and releases , and any other source you might come across. And then the sharing of what each and every one of these resources combined with others , is the way that I and others will do, have done , and continue to do to keep the memories alive , a example is the post that Benny Hill posted prior to this one it showed the leadership to once again move us in a poor direction and that is just but one example.

So the answer is yes , just to engage and invoke thought in others is but a small act that might help others and myself to rectify matters when the time comes , just as others here and elsewhere have helped me with their insights and provocations of thought and information.

You can invoke, provoke and take a toke if you want, the fact of the matter is that almost 70% of the "brotherhood" voted for this monstrosity and we are stuck with it. All I see is a mountain of grievances for the next five F*****G years. You want to file charges with the labor board? s******t man, that will take fifteen F*****G or more years. How are we going to get the "brotherhood" together to pay for attorneys. You guys know that you can't get a room full of teamsters to agree on anything, that will probably take another fifteen years. One man's opinion of course. Reality s***s!!! man



GBA:USA:



Lumber(p****d off)sam

 

[grimreaper]

you can invoke, provoke and take a toke if you want, the fact of the matter is that almost 70% of the "brotherhood" voted for this monstrosity and we are stuck with it. All i see is a mountain of grievances for the next five f*****g years. You want to file charges with the labor board? S******t man, that will take fifteen f*****g or more years. How are we going to get the "brotherhood" together to pay for attorneys. You guys know that you can't get a room full of teamsters to agree on anything, that will probably take another fifteen years. One man's opinion of course. Reality s***s!!! Man



Gba



Lumber(p****d off)sam

WE SHOULDNT HAVE TO QUESTION OUR LEADERS ..
from what i heard ... Labor board has been contacted dude ....
But i do agree w/ya ... Nobody sticks together
they would rather let the lies and betrayal fool themselves into thinking they are getting their jobs back w/ their help ...
Its just a thought
BUT KEEP TRACK OF YOUR GRIEVANCES DUDE