TForce | Indy Chosen First Terminal to Organize!

Apwa?

stldude44 said:
Bama,
I'm not sure if it's true, but I really doubt it. Here's the deal. TDU has an agenda to gain control of the Teamsters, so they will try to spin anything in a negative light because they're not the ones making any gains. They'd like nothing more than for Hoffa and anyone associated with him to fail somehow so they can say "We told you so" and hope more Teamsters will vote for their candidates. It's a General Election year in the Teamsters and their candidate just barely got enough delegate votes to even get in the election.......it was something like 1600 for Hoffa-89 for Leedham. TDU desperately need something to build on and as always, they'll try anything negative to do it. They also refuse to disclose where their money comes from and one of their candidates for Vice President in the upcoming election was exposed for accepting $10,000.00 from a lawyer who works for a Union busting law firm. About 95% of Teamsters put no stock in what they say.

The APWA is a real comedy story. Keep in mind that the APWA represents exactly ZERO UPS workers and has never negotiated anything for anybody. It was apparently started by a few unhappy UPS workers from a right to work state who don't even pay dues to the Teamsters. Now there's a good example of Union Men, right? They need and ask for money from whomever will give them money and have no track record at running the day to day affairs of a Union. Oh, but they do promise (LOL!) that they'll get you a $7,000.00 to $8,000.00 per month retirement!
Pretty lofty goal for guys who won't even pay dues to the Union they belong to.

My point is that both of these groups are trying to make the Teamsters look bad to further their own agendas, which is to be the ones in power. Both would like nothing more than for Hoffa to fail at organizing UPSF....AT YOU AND YOUR CO-WORKERS EXPENSE!.....It's negative politicking at it's worst.
Way to go, stldude44! This is a perfect example of what I mean about researching and finding the facts before signing anything or jumping into anything. It boggled my mind to find out how many people signed APWA's petition before they actually knew anything about them. BTW, all you anti-union guys who signed their petition or whatever you would like to call it better hurry and send them their $150.00 membership fee. They are probably going to need it to pay legal fees when UPS's lawyers get a hold of them for their unauthorized use of the UPS and UPS Freight logos and trademarks on the pamphlets they are handing out.
 
gater said:
One Terminal: Indianapolis
Teamsters Union Launches UPS Freight Organizing Drive
http://www.tdu.org/UPS/UPSnewhtml/ibtupsfreightorgan.htm
July 27, 2006. The International Union has launched a one-terminal organizing drive at UPS Freight, choosing Indianapolis as the target terminal. This medium sized terminal was chosen, according to IBT Parcel Director Ken Hall, because there is strong Teamster support there, and because there is no union jurisdictional dispute there because Local 135 includes both UPS and Freight Teamsters.

The target and strategy were announced on a July 25th IBT conference call with local union officials. Hall stated that a majority of cards would be signed right away, and by September they would start bargaining for a contract covering the Indianapolis terminal. It would be a stand-alone contract, tied to neither the national UPS nor Freight contract.

Hall claimed that the IBT has “no intention to agree to a contract that doesn’t include card check and company neutrality” for organizing the other 300 terminals. He also asserted the contract would be top scale and provide Teamster pensions.

Hoffa announced a card check and neutrality agreement at the IBT Convention in June, in which UPS management agrees not to oppose the union and to recognize the union when a majority of workers sign union cards. The agreement was announced one hour before voting started at the Convention. At the time, Hoffa concealed the fact that the deal covers only one terminal (of the union’s choosing), and once that one terminal goes union, the neutrality and card check agreement ends. That’s why Hall now promises to get a contract which would include company neutrality at all terminals.

The International Union has agreed to not disparage UPS management in the organizing drive. They’ve also instructed all locals to issue no disparaging literature and to screen any leaflets through the International.

Will a contract that does not undercut our freight Teamsters, which includes Teamster pensions, and gets UPS to agree to remain neutral in organizing, be won from this aggressive employer after organizing just one terminal?

That’s the IBT’s promise. But the same people who are promising this also promised last election season that “your benefits are secure for six years,” there will be “no dues increase,” “25 and out” is secure, to “get the government out” and to “run a clean union.”

The big question is, with about 1% of the 15,000 UPS Freight workers organized at one terminal, can this be done? Especially when UPS management is battling to take Teamsters out of Teamster pension plans, not to add more!

Will management simply roll over and say we were just kidding when we sent out 15,000 anti-union DVDs recently? Not without a fight, they won’t.

Assistant Freight Director Gordon Sweeton asked freight officials on the call to “get on board and keep an open mind” regarding the plan.

On the conference call, there was evident tension between the Parcel Division and Freight, and a number of references to jurisdictional disputes between UPS and Freight Local Unions over who would get the UPS Freight members.


The International Union instructed locals not to distribute union cards, but to contact UPS Freight workers, get seniority lists and build support for our union. All locals and members should join the effort to reach out to UPS Freight workers. This is a critical step in building the base of support needed to win the battle.

Organizing UPS Freight is critical to consolidating our union in trucking and strengthening our union’s pension plans. It’s going to take a bottom-up Teamster organizing drive and use of our national bargaining strength at UPS to win it.
Ok sir your some what rite up to the point you stated that the card check is for one terminal only,,ITS for all the terminals,,we r going to get a contract at INDY and everyone that has the correct number of cards signed will fall into that contract after the cards have been checked by the arbitrator and than that terminal WILL BE UNION,,Make no mistake about it WE ALL have CARD CHECK ,,,:Banane01:
 
just-me said:
Ok sir your some what rite up to the point you stated that the card check is for one terminal only,,ITS for all the terminals,,we r going to get a contract at INDY and everyone that has the correct number of cards signed will fall into that contract after the cards have been checked by the arbitrator and than that terminal WILL BE UNION,,Make no mistake about it WE ALL have CARD CHECK ,,,:Banane01:
The question is, When 50+1% of the company's terminals vote yes, Doe's the remaining terminals of the company automatically fall under the contract?
 
BusterNite said:
The question is, When 50+1% of the company's terminals vote yes, Doe's the remaining terminals of the company automatically fall under the contract?
Each terminal has to have 50% plus 1 cards signed and TURNED in so they can get Certified,,,REMEBER that,,Once they are certifed they will go rite under the contract that was done at INDY ,,,they will be UNION at that time,,And everyone will follow that contract,,,And those:party-smiley-017: :d6625240: rules from that date on.
 
BusterNite said:
The question is, When 50+1% of the company's terminals vote yes, Doe's the remaining terminals of the company automatically fall under the contract?
BusterNite,

We don't know that 100% for sure, but we think that once a certain percentage of the terminals become union then UPS will step in and make it company wide. I hate stating something that I don't know to be fact, but I will tell you what makes me think this. Just like UPS agreeing to start negotiations early for the parcel guys, it seems like UPS is trying to resolve as many possible labor issues as they can, possibly to prevent anything from raining on their parade when they hit their 100th anniversary. Also, whether they know this or not(and I'm sure they do), being so cooperative with UPS Freight is earning them a lot of goodwill from our customers. Every day one of or more of my customers will ask about whether it is going to happen and are very supportive. A lot of them still remember how UP treated the Overnite drivers a few years ago and they think we deserve it. I heard an old quote that was modified that I really like: "Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it, but those that live in the past have no future." Here's to the future!
 
concerned citizen said:
BusterNite,

We don't know that 100% for sure, but we think that once a certain percentage of the terminals become union then UPS will step in and make it company wide. I hate stating something that I don't know to be fact, but I will tell you what makes me think this. Just like UPS agreeing to start negotiations early for the parcel guys, it seems like UPS is trying to resolve as many possible labor issues as they can, possibly to prevent anything from raining on their parade when they hit their 100th anniversary. Also, whether they know this or not(and I'm sure they do), being so cooperative with UPS Freight is earning them a lot of goodwill from our customers. Every day one of or more of my customers will ask about whether it is going to happen and are very supportive. A lot of them still remember how UP treated the Overnite drivers a few years ago and they think we deserve it. I heard an old quote that was modified that I really like: "Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it, but those that live in the past have no future." Here's to the future!
Yes, Agreed! My hopes is that when the majority of the company is recognized that everyone will fall under the contract as it is much easier to deal with a company that is complete.
 
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allstar05 said:
they need to vote .they need to get all those lazy workers out of that term.They should have been fire the last time they walked out.if you think the union is so great go work some where else.your not going to get anymore than what you have now.teamster will tell you anything ask them to put what they promise you in writing and see what they say.:pirate2: :pirate2:
 
Amen brother, Union days are over! just look around, FedEx will eventually be the dominant player in the NEW freight/parcel biz, only because they wont be bothered and harrassed by the union.while upsf fights over contracts and card sighning ol' FedEx is running us over picking up our buisness.You guys have got to see the picture, the union only wants ONE THING, your pension!
 
NITETRAIN said:
Amen brother, Union days are over! just look around, FedEx will eventually be the dominant player in the NEW freight/parcel biz, only because they wont be bothered and harrassed by the union.while upsf fights over contracts and card sighning ol' FedEx is running us over picking up our buisness.You guys have got to see the picture, the union only wants ONE THING, your pension!
They must be growing something else besides corn out there in Kansas ....
I see the picture that you don't see. The union wants to give us our pension. Just ask the many thousands of retired Teamsters collecting that check each month .... and it was all paid by the companies they worked for.
 
NITETRAIN said:
Amen brother, Union days are over! just look around, FedEx will eventually be the dominant player in the NEW freight/parcel biz, only because they wont be bothered and harrassed by the union.while upsf fights over contracts and card sighning ol' FedEx is running us over picking up our buisness.You guys have got to see the picture, the union only wants ONE THING, your pension!


Nitetrain seeing that you just crawled out of your hole and you are holding all those company propaganda thoughts in your brain, I suggest you go back to the beginning of each thread and read all the facts that are posted on this site about the pension, the federal laws protecting them, the health of them, the do's and don'ts of pensions, the complete package is spelled out here both pros and cons.

Do yourself a favor before you post, get informed, it will make you look a lot more intellegent than you are showing right now.

T251
 
Are we in Kansas anymore?

flstc2000 said:
They must be growing something else besides corn out there in Kansas ....
I see the picture that you don't see. The union wants to give us our pension. Just ask the many thousands of retired Teamsters collecting that check each month .... and it was all paid by the companies they worked for.
Thanks flstc2000,
That's what we all need to do. Keep shooting down the wrong info with facts. Most people do not realize that whether you are in a union or not, your employer still pays for all of your benefits, including your pension contributions. The union just uses their bargaining power to negotiate the members the best benefits at the lowest cost to the union members. The only thing the Teamsters or any other union get from you is your monthly dues, which seems to me to be a small price to pay for what we get.

P.S. flstc2000, you can also call me by flstfi2004 if you like brother. :-)
 
NITETRAIN said:
Amen brother, Union days are over! just look around, FedEx will eventually be the dominant player in the NEW freight/parcel biz, only because they wont be bothered and harrassed by the union.while upsf fights over contracts and card sighning ol' FedEx is running us over picking up our buisness.You guys have got to see the picture, the union only wants ONE THING, your pension!
NiteTrain,
you are also misinformed about FedEx and union activity. They would love to unionize but their employer has found a loophole in the laws that would force the drivers to have to go company-wide at once and not terminal by terminal like UPS Freight. UPS is being much more gracious about unionizing allowing the card check agreement and such, so we don't feel like we are fighting with them at all. We are NEGOTIATING with them and that is entirely different. Besides, profits for the first 2 quarters have been very strong here at UPS freight, the highest in quite a few years from what I understand. Not bad for a company that is in the middle of changing over to the new name and trying to update their equipment at the same time.
 
concerned citizen said:
It is time again for me to set the facts straight. Indy was not chosen to be the first terminal to organize. We are already organized. About 70% of our eligible employees have already signed cards and are cards have already been submitted to an arbitrater in D.C. for verification. We are the first terminal to complete the process under the COMPANY-WIDE card check agreement. What the Indy terminal HAS been selected for is to negotiate the Master Contract for UPS Freight. What this means is that we will negotiate the contract and as each terminal thereafter completes therr card signing process(50% + 1 of the eligible employees), then they will sign on to the Master Contract after negotiating any necessary local/regional additions.

The card check IS valid company wide, but each terminal has one opportunity to certify under the agreement. If the terminal fails to get the required amount of cards signed(50% + 1), then that terminal would have to revert to an NLRB vote. Many of you will probably ask how I know this to be fact, so I will explain. I am a member of the negotiating committee here in Indy, and we are set to begin contract negotiations in September.

I'd like to apologize for this being so lengthy, but I have something else to say. No matter if you are pro-union or anti-union, the important thing right now is for everyone to stick together so that we can work out an agreement that benefits us all. Don't just act on rumors you here off the grapevine, and for heaven's sake, don't sign anything or agree to anything unless you have thoroughly researched the facts so you can make a well-informed decision! Don't flush your future down the toilet!

That brings me to the AWPA. They appeared out of nowhere claiming they are an alternate UNION for UPS employees only. In fact, they are not even a legally recognized union at all. They are an association started by 2 disgruntled UPS drivers. They have no financial structure, no insurance plan, no pension plan, they have never been to a bargaining table or negotiated a contract. They have no actual members yet, nor do they even have an actual business address or telephone. Call the numbers on their pamphlets and they ring to the guys personal phones! They have made a lot of claims and promises, but in fact they have nothing. They were asking people to sign their sheet with the promise that they were trying to save the pension plan. Nowhere was it mentioned that by signing their sheet meant that they were agreeing to having their Teamsters cards rescinded. After finding out the truth about the AWPA, most of the employees who had previously signed union cards asked for their names be withdrawn from the AWPA list and re-signed new union cards with the Teamsters. I don't know what the intentions really are for the guys trying to start this AWPA up, but at this time I would urge everyone use this as an example of not jumping into anything without researching it first.

One last thing and I will shut up for now. This is for the former Motor Cargo terminals that have stayed certified and stayed union all this time. Thanks for hanging in there and I am very proud to consider myself your co-worker at UPS Freight! In a few months it will be my honor to present you guys with a nice fat contract. The same goes for all the other terminals that have completed their card check are or nearing completion. You guys all rock!
just want to wish you guys lots of luck
congrats. good job
there is much strength in unity
in my area there was and is a jurisdictional dispute which will hopefully be resolved:smillie_flag: :smile1: :USA:
 
Con Citz,
You said that you are part of the committe to negotiate the contract for Indy. Are you a UPS Freight employee or do you work for another union freight company? I talked to a UPS Feeder Driver who said no UPS employees get to negotiate the UPS contract, only union officals.
 
I have a question. If a terminal doesn't have the required number by card check, why will they then have to have a NLRB election?
 
Valerie,
I don't think that a terminal without more than half of the cards signed will have any election at all. They'll probably just be left behind.
 
bamaboy said:
Con Citz,
You said that you are part of the committe to negotiate the contract for Indy. Are you a UPS Freight employee or do you work for another union freight company? I talked to a UPS Feeder Driver who said no UPS employees get to negotiate the UPS contract, only union officals.
BB,
He might very well mean that a group of UPSF employees were formed to be representatives of the larger group and thus be the mouthpieces for the larger group to the Teamster negotiators so that the Teamster negotiators have a perfect understanding of the emplyees concerns and what they'd like to see addressed in the negotiations.
 
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