TForce | UPS Freight is going to be unionized so get over it.
- Thread starter theoriginalwebidiot
- Start date
I just think that some people on this board forget what we do and think that we should be paid the same as a brain surgeon. I just think we all have to take a look at what we have and our industry and compare ourselves to freight drivers. If everyone make equal $$, I think they call that socialism. We get to make choices in the good ole USA about union, non-union, our careers, our attitudes, etc. We get no choice in living or paying taxes or what the weather does. Beyond that, it is pretty much up to the individual. Sorry if I offend anyone, because I do not think or say what you think I should think or say. As APO stated, I'm the only one that knows what I am thinking. Another great thing about living in the USA. No one can tell me how I should or should not think or believe. Just an old guy with old fashion thinking I guess.concerned citizen said:
UPSDock061
TB Lurker
- Credits
- 0
thanks for the wellcome nice to be here
wassesname
TB Regular
- Credits
- 0
bb... I dont think you offended anybody. i think everybody respects our human rights to think for themselves, when you have an opinion we respect your constitutional rights to say it. but by the same token dont blame someone else if your posts dont make scence.I knew what you were trying to say and it was a pretty bad comparison. it sounded to much like DY.
wassesname said:
Sorry if it was a bad comparison, but my daddy always told me, "Son there will be people in the world bigger than you and people smaller than you, people who are richer than you and people who are poorer than you. The key to happiness is being happy and content with who you are." I just feel that sometimes we just forget who we are. I hope that makes sense.
wassesname
TB Regular
- Credits
- 0
bb... yes it sure does, but what did your daddy tell you about people who take things from you? did he teach you to roll over and take whatever comes your way or to WORK to better your self for you and your family? did you get the birds and beez talk? reminds me of the company "flexability" talk.
UPSF_GLAD TO BE NON-UNION said:
GTBNU, What do you mean by can't be bought. I have had problems with the union in the past. I also have a with draw card. I've have 24 years with Overnite {UPSF}.
In the years I've been here we had had union battles. The last the mother of them all.
I am still bitter over it. You seem to be pretty bitter also. Can you tell me and others that are ease dropping why you personally have no use for the union.
I would like since our forum is the only one that allows union discussions. And that we are owned by UPS instead of name calling. elaborate how we feel and what is best for all of us as a company.
I guess what I mean is try to show a little respect for each other and we all might get something out of it.
I know I can go off half cocked to sometimes. But I would like to know what your dealings in the past was with the union that turned you against them. Then maybe some one else will to.
wassesname
TB Regular
- Credits
- 0
bad habit... thats not at all what i was trying to say or i would have said it. i dont post in a way that something is left to interpretation, thats how things get twisted arround. but i can take a little ribbing. like the one poster that sayes he knows Bill Gates (personally).
wassesname
TB Regular
- Credits
- 0
glad...Skeeter... we are being bought...not our soals but our time. they are trying to buy our dedication with new paint or completely new equipment but we (some of US) drive old junk home. look at a union company parking lot and compare it to one of ours and tell me who is makeing the real money.
Shifterknob
The Last Wordslinger
- Credits
- 0
Skeeter said:
See, I don't get this attitude at all, Skeeter. Why wouldn't you trust your pension with the Western Conference of Teamsters Pension Trust? It is the top-rated private multi-employer pension in the WORLD.
Not just the USA... the WORLD!
You have fourteen union trustees and fourteen employer trustees who oversee this pension plan, and they must all agree unanimously in order to take any given action.
If you look at historic trends in pensions, you will see many, many more private single-payer pension plans have failed in the last fifty-five years than multi-employer plans, and of those multi-employer plans that did fail, they were in troubled industries like coal and steel, and ran into trouble before federal laws like the ERISA Act were passed to safeguard pension plan.
Your whole concept of the union somehow having access to your pension money is outdated and wrong. Your money is far, far safer in the West pension plan than just about anywhere in the world.
So why do you feel this way? Past issues aside, these are the facts. Are we going to deal with facts, or merely feelings?
You know you think of the whole pension concept..
companies setting aside money thats not going to make any money back,because they'er going to be paying for people that used to work for them.
But are no longer producing anything.
I talked to a road driver that drives building products around the east coast.
He said he was affiliated with the Teamsters union.
I ased him what that meant?
He didn't know?
He pays union dues,and gets good paid miles,he didn't say how much.
He also said he got good health care.
but he wasn't going to get any union pension.
I said I didn't understand?
He said because he was only afilliated with the Teamsters through his company.
He said he had 12 years so far,than asked me if UPSFreight was hiring anywhere?
I told him he'd have to check on-line.
So does any of you Teamster posters know what this driver meant by being afilliated?
companies setting aside money thats not going to make any money back,because they'er going to be paying for people that used to work for them.
But are no longer producing anything.
I talked to a road driver that drives building products around the east coast.
He said he was affiliated with the Teamsters union.
I ased him what that meant?
He didn't know?
He pays union dues,and gets good paid miles,he didn't say how much.
He also said he got good health care.
but he wasn't going to get any union pension.
I said I didn't understand?
He said because he was only afilliated with the Teamsters through his company.
He said he had 12 years so far,than asked me if UPSFreight was hiring anywhere?
I told him he'd have to check on-line.
So does any of you Teamster posters know what this driver meant by being afilliated?
Shifterknob
The Last Wordslinger
- Credits
- 0
Two guesses:
One guess is his company has some kind of sweetheart agreement with the union that allows them to deliver into union projects, but doesn't really give them the full benefits of being union.
Or, two; he is what is referred to as an agency fee payer. This lovely concept came about during the big Right-To-Work push some years back, and it basically means that he is represented by the union only so far as negotiating pay and benefits, and does not pay full union dues. They are not considered under federal labor law to be a member of a collective bargaining unit, and they do not get representation for other things like discipline or grievances.
Those are the only two guesses I can come up with..
One guess is his company has some kind of sweetheart agreement with the union that allows them to deliver into union projects, but doesn't really give them the full benefits of being union.
Or, two; he is what is referred to as an agency fee payer. This lovely concept came about during the big Right-To-Work push some years back, and it basically means that he is represented by the union only so far as negotiating pay and benefits, and does not pay full union dues. They are not considered under federal labor law to be a member of a collective bargaining unit, and they do not get representation for other things like discipline or grievances.
Those are the only two guesses I can come up with..
GLAD TO BE_UPSF
TB Regular
- Credits
- 0
That is the concept of employment...companies pay people for their time and labor..so in reality you are being rented,not bought.wassesname said:
UPS is very concerned about their image...hence the reason for the new paint and equipment.It has nothing to do with trying to make us happy.If it wasn't for "O" already having placed a big order at a good price with Volvo,UPS probably would be ordering Sterlings or Freightshakers.It certainly has nothing to do with driver comfort....look at the trucks UPS drivers drive...a mix of every cheap "work" truck ever made...not made for driver comfort,but for getting the job done.
Are you saying the half a cent/mile and .50/hour less than freight teamsters is the difference between driving a nice car and driving junk?
OK,so our delay pay sucks....if we get the same delay as union drivers...your going to go out and buy a better car?
I guess I just don't follow you on this one.
There isn't much junk in the lot at my terminal,and there are quite a few vechicles in our lot.
Lets not pretend we are under paid...at least I know I do quite well and I'm only at 87 and a half %...soon to be 90%.
A friend of mine drives for ABF(freight teamsters) and I make more per week than he does. He only wishes he could get 500 and 600 mile nights.He said their bed runs(motel) are usualy only 400 miles.I would be pissed if I had to take hours after only running 400 miles.I don't complain about a 400 mile night if I come home,but if I'm taking hours in a motel....I would hope it was worth my while.I don't know if the 400 mile runs are a teamster thing or an ABF system thing,but the point is they are union and he would love to get the miles I get.He has to hope he gets delayed somewhere to make up some of the difference.
GLAD TO BE_UPSF
TB Regular
- Credits
- 0
That was a quote to JBG,who is currently against organizing.He posted that if we were to be union he wanted parcel agreement...so what I meant was...either you are against being union or you are for being union.Skeeter said:
I'm not sitting on the fence waiting to see what we can get if we were to go union.
I have posted many reasons over the course of time that I have been on these boards.
I will answer you either tomorrow or sunday.
I need to get to bed for my morning run tomorrow and I know if I start now,I'll be sitting here for quite some time,but I will respond.
concerned citizen
TB Lurker
- Credits
- 0
Shifterknobshifterknob said:
first of all, let me thank you for helping educate the folks that post here. If we had more people like you we wouldn't have nearly as much misinformation and confusion floating around. That said, I need to correct you here because you have it slightly backwards. In right-to-work states you do not have to be a member of the union. you do not have to pay dues and they are still required to represent you in disciplanary and grievance meetings. If you are not a dues paying member though, you are NOT entitled to the union benefits, i.e. pension, insurance, etc.. So I would say the guy with no pension is from a right to work state and is not paying dues.
Familyman said:
FM do you know that the last company to get the master freight agreement was in the early 80s. That was before deregulation. In the 70s there where over 100 companies in the MFA today there's only 2. They are YRWC and ABF. Do you still think that UPSF will get that same agreement?:poster_oops:
UPSF_GLAD TO BE NON-UNION said:
Its not a union thing, or a abf thing, its how his terminal is set up.
Talked to one of your guys in PA, he has 13yrs seniority on the road, runs 188 miles a night and pounds the slab for 6hrs. Sound good to you driver?
As for the pay? On paper it looks nice, the $.50 difference and half cent mileage(by the way I thought it was more, we're at .543750), but we got guys with 20hrs of fringes evry week(drops/hooks,delay,yadda yadda), last I checked thats $435 extra a week.
Thats what most are talking about when your not paid what we are. That and our benies!