Decision making day

Discussion in 'Saia' started by runawaytrain, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. runawaytrain

    runawaytrain Wear their scorn with pride.

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    Then using that theory they should have cameras in all company vehicles.
     
  2. truckdriver

    truckdriver Active Member

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    No we get paid a flat rate of 27 minutes to built a set. I punched the clock after I built my set, to replace the mudflap.
     
  3. seabreeze

    seabreeze Not Well Known Member, 60 Year Teamster Member

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    You must understand the reason for my confusion, I was born very young, I thought you built your set off the clock
    and punched on to replace the mudflap.
    Don't worry bout me, it's a senile thing!
     
  4. bigbuck

    bigbuck Active Member

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    I guess if it was me, I would have refused to pull the trailer that had the missing mudflap. That type of equipment is mandatory. By the letter of the law, it was illegal. Just ask for a different pup...
     
  5. seabreeze

    seabreeze Not Well Known Member, 60 Year Teamster Member

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    And I would have fired your fanny in a heartbeat!
     
  6. bigbuck

    bigbuck Active Member

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    Fired me for following federally mandated rules and regulations? Oh boy, that would be like winning the lottery! The judge would absolutely love that!
     
  7. seabreeze

    seabreeze Not Well Known Member, 60 Year Teamster Member

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    You are kidding, non union companies can fire you because of your hair style or the way you rub your antlers on a tree
    If they need to get rid of a problem, they manufacture ways, I've seen this happen more times than you have points on your rack.
    Hook to that pup, go down the road, if you are stopped, tell him it was there when I left.
    You should have learned how to lie, with all the bs that's posted on this thread.
    Don't be upset, I'm just pulling your hoof.
     
  8. runawaytrain

    runawaytrain Wear their scorn with pride.

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    We mix the truth with lies here to daze and confuse. That's the way we roll here. To spin or not to spin. That is the question :1036316054:
     
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  9. Dick Dastardly

    Dick Dastardly Drat, Double Drat, and Triple Drat!

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    No, they would just manufacture something else to get rid of you.
     
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  10. runawaytrain

    runawaytrain Wear their scorn with pride.

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    Absolutely true. My constant theme on here is "know your place." You are an expendable commodity that will be thrown under the bus without a second thought. They will backup over you again and again if necessary. It's take no prisoners in the cut throat business that is LTL. You will have to excuse Buck. At times she can be a bit naive.
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  11. Dick Dastardly

    Dick Dastardly Drat, Double Drat, and Triple Drat!

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    Sad thing is, it's that way in today's Teamster Union as well. The rest of us are left in the middle
     
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  12. seabreeze

    seabreeze Not Well Known Member, 60 Year Teamster Member

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    Naive, gullible, don't matter, the lady's ok, just picking at her a little, thought it was about her time.
     
  13. seabreeze

    seabreeze Not Well Known Member, 60 Year Teamster Member

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    Unreal what we have lost or bargained away since late 50s early 60s
     
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  14. runawaytrain

    runawaytrain Wear their scorn with pride.

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    She can take it.
     
  15. runawaytrain

    runawaytrain Wear their scorn with pride.

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    I've never been a Union supporter. It was just a personal choice. There is plenty of blame to go around for the downfall of the Teamsters in the LTL market. This is just one of them.
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  16. nightowl

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    I think he’s saying they get paid a certain rate to hook sets and by being on the clock I think the TM was accusing him of charging them twice....
     
  17. Canadian Flyer

    Canadian Flyer Speedy Freightshaker #411

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    I'm quite confident in saying that I departed Day & Ross, and a very nice Toronto-Vancouver linehaul run, over cameras and coaching.

    The rollout started the same as it always does. My dad and I were both uncomfortable with the idea of having a Lytx nanny cam keeping tabs on what was arguably our home away from home each week. Combined with SPEED GAUGE and Peoplenet, the company knew what we were doing and how we were doing it at all times. And all it took to get a peek was a big enough bump.

    My dad was coached twice. Once over what was falsely believed to be a phone-related incident and once over a hard brake. He's been driving safely for almost 30 years, and to say he felt insulted would be an understatement. I was coached once for another assumed phone issue... because my hand wasn't on the wheel and off-camera when I went over a bump. They assumed my phone was in my hand because I was, in their words, "very clearly looking at it". It was at this time that I realized they didn't know the difference between reaching for a knob or switch on the dashboard, or maybe a cup of coffee in the cupholder, and using your phone. Because all I was doing at the time was grabbing a pop bottle, something I reflexively paused doing when I saw the camera light go off.

    It's impossible to act normally when your actions are under such intense scrutiny. Unless you're face forward, hands on the wheel at absolutely all times, you risk being judged by the all-seeing eye.

    And according to the folks at Speedy Transport, cameras aren't of much value for insurance purposes beyond proving fault. They informed us that they had no interest in enforcing cameras on their fleet because it was an additional expense with no discounted rate for the "commitment to safety". They do encourage owners and drivers to get their own, though. And this fleet, while small compared to some companies, still numbers at easily a few hundred between linehaul and city. They have one of the lowest accident rates in the country and have a very high rate of loyalty among drivers and owners for the respect they give them.

    In my experience, tools like the Lytx DriveCam are used, not for safety, but to terrorize drivers under the veil of safety. "Building safe habits" or so they say. I will never drive another truck with a camera mandated by the company, and the truck I drive now is my own so it goes where I go. And Speedy's been more honest with me overall, not just compared to past driving jobs but even every job I've ever had. I've been here nearly a year and I don't see myself going anywhere anytime soon.

    When that decision making day comes, do what you have to do. We drivers may only be a cog in the great wheel of the transportation industry, and we may be replaceable...but we are not infinitely replaceable. We are human beings with imperfections and the robots they want to replace us with are still a long way off despite what they say. And fewer people enter the industry every year, while people are leaving by the boatload. We do not have to accept being treated like trained monkeys... because if they really could train a monkey to do this, they would have by now.

    Know your place, but don't sell yourself short.
     
  18. bigbuck

    bigbuck Active Member

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    The post submitted by Canadian Flyer is a thing of beauty. Very insightful and well written. Drivers ARE assets, and are THE MOST IMPORTANT asset to any trucking company. Period. Treat them as such. And be honest with them...don't tell them in one sentence that cameras are a "training tool" and then turn around and use them as a disciplinary tool. It's a way to nit pick. In the Smith System, one of the keys is "Get the big picture." That phrase could and should be used in camera/disciplinary actions as well.
     
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  19. runawaytrain

    runawaytrain Wear their scorn with pride.

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    We were promised it would be used as a learning tool. Turns out, it's being used as a weapon. And what is more disturbing is that it's selective because all trucks don't have them. And that my friends is a big problem. When you do for one. You better do for all.
     
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  20. othertrucker2001

    othertrucker2001 Professional Flummoxer

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    “not for safety, but to terrorize drivers under the veil of safety.”

    Much like after 911, everybody had to ask for all of your personal information, FOR THE SLIGHTEST little thing, under the veil of “security”, and now we have identity theft running rampant WORLDWIDE!!
     

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