Mike Moss Gone!

Discussion in 'ABF Freight System' started by hoffa, Apr 7, 2017.

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  1. Within 6 months

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  1. hoffa

    hoffa Active Member

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    So with the departure of Mike Moss the brains behind getting rid of the ue routes and the mandatory ugly uniforms... How long yall think till we get the routes back and go back to the old uniform policy...
     
  2. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    I think,........ as a pure public relations shot, the uniform issue will change with the next contract. Besides,...... the Cintas bid should just about be up...... time to "re-bid" it out. They'll make a big stink about.." finally" ..finding a Union vendor......

    As far as going back to operating the way we used to,....... I'm sure that's why Mark McMinn was selected. ABF is going back to hiring from within for upper management........Hey! It worked before,....let's try it again ( corporate brainstorm)....

    Vacation policy has to be restored,.... If they want any hope at all of hiring reasonably trainable people......Wages have to be commensurate with the rest of the industry.......

    And......whether they like it or not,..... They've got to work with the failing pension funds and buttress them up somehow. Enough of them fail,....and there goes your primary reason for getting hired at ABF.
     
  3. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I was under the impression that the new electronic logs were a big reason for changing up the UE runs. And I don't think that there will be any changes in the uniforms, there is no incentive, they don't have to wear them (neither The Fort nor the IBT) so they don't care.
    I don't see a full restoration of vacations lost. I do see something more amenable for new hires though so there will be 1 yr/1 wk, 2 yr/ 2 wk restoration but that's all I see in my crystal ball. To keep wages low they will probably not monkey with our Cadillac healthcare and predict that they will try to make a change in the retirement program but that they will not be successful.
     
  4. ragpicker

    ragpicker New Member

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    I hope they get rid of these ridiculous 5 day 60 hrs a week ue bids! I still say there is no reason to be running HV on a friday night. Fed EX does it so we can too. so said mike Moss. He also wanted carlisle to shutdown on weekends. He also was the man whose name was on the recent decision to not handle inhalation hazard anymore. That is a lot of business just given away to our competition. good riddance!
     
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  5. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    I think wages shot up a lot faster in the non-Union LTL sector than ABF's brain trust management team accounted for. So,....I expect a public relations effort that doesn't cost too much,.....and that they can try to get a lot of "mileage" out of with their employees,.......like coming up with a Union vendor for uniforms,.....and then moaning about how much more it costs.......and that's why they can't pay us as much as they want to......

    They certainly don't want to pay us the same hourly rate that FedEx/Old Dominion/Saia/UPS Freight/Estes is paying their employees,........so I think They'll come up with something "in kind", so to speak......in lieu of better wages....
     
  6. Songremainsthesame

    Songremainsthesame Well-Known Member

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    Why don't they eliminate the cost entirely and just enforce an acceptable, enforceable dress code (no holy jeans, offensive tshirts or advertisements of beer etc while on duty stuff like that) and make it clearly worded so there's no question if someone is in violation or not and leave it at that? The vacation and pension have to be fixed, although the union is going to have to fix the pension, the company just pays into it per the contract. Those two things are what keep ABF from being at the top of my list of perspectives for employment. Y'all's yard closest to me has relocated to where I could almost ride a bike to work rather than the miserable commute I currently have.
     
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  7. Big Daddy

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    ABFer: I was told that they cancelled the UE was they wasn't making any money on it. I don't think it was because of the elogs. I know myself and the other UE driver never had a problem with them.
     
  8. Homesick

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    I'm with Canary, wages at the non-union LTL carries rose faster than both the company and the union predicted. This has led to ABF having to lower their employee requirement standards and some loss of control with the current employees (employees are less afraid of losing their job). It has also led to the increase use of Purchase Transportation, which is a further loss of control of the company (management cannot punish PT drivers).

    The Teamsters (us) got shafted on this last contract and everyone knows it. The company rubs our noses in it continually with our vacation package and extreme work schedule. With all that said, it is my opinion and hope that we, the employees, force management to compensate us for the past four year by demanding a much higher compensation package.
     
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  9. Trucker 206

    Trucker 206 Well-Known Member

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    We soooooo got the shaft last contract. Things could be different this next round. We'll know a year from now just how much the company 'values' us as the backbone of the operation. I don't know when the last time ABF went on strike was, but I'm guessing it's overdue.
     
  10. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Sonofagun! My boss is always telling me I'm the "Backbone of the operation"........Yeah.....I'm some part of the back,.....probably a little lower down.....
     
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  11. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yep, we sure did!
    I expect it will be slightly different, restore vacation for new hires, insulting wage increases and...ummmm...uuuuu...that's all.
    Buddy, I thought you already knew this one, I know I do.
    1994 and I do not see that changing, EVER.
     
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  12. Trucker 206

    Trucker 206 Well-Known Member

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    How did the strike play out?
     
  13. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    1994 was the last strike of the industry. We were told that the issue was that the companies wanted part time dock workers by our BA but I never saw anything to confirm or contradict that claim. We were out for about a month and some companies were permitted to work, one of which was Carolina Carriers. At the time Robert Young III was the Chairman of Traffic Management Inc. (TMI), the name of the companies' 'union'. Ironically, one year later ABF makes buyout of Carolina Carriers, they were going bankrupt regardless of everything. I can't say that I saw a long term loss of business out of it but someone with hard numbers may be able to prove otherwise. At the time I had some company stock and between the loss in value there and lost wages I lost about $7,000 total.
     
  14. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    I think the major issue was expansion of two-tier wages and creating part time employees.
    After 6 weeks they softened the two-tier language and removed the part time provisions, gave us a $600 signing bonus and we went back to work.
    NationsWay and several other smaller carriers went out of business.
    Of course the non-Union guys complained about all the extra work, and laughed at us for not obeying our corporate masters........
     
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  15. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Did NW participate in that strike, or were they one that was permitted to run?
     
  16. Big Daddy

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    Yeah: I remember that time . Me and the terminal manager went around and around how we got a 750.00 signing bonus but it wasn't worth it over a raise. We got that money one time instead of the raise figured in every year after that. How much have we lost if we had gotten a .40 cent raise that year. Figure that over the last 22 years.
     
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    NW signed a "Me Too" & continued to work but went belly up later. Carolina also signed a "Me Too" & continued to work. Ken Churchill told Ron Carey his company could not reopen if they were struck. They closed the doors permanently. I had friends who lost their jobs there.Churchill was good to employees.
    The next freight strike will be the last. ABF lost most of their best accounts during the strike.The most profitable ever was the General Motors Assembly Line Division just in time warehousing account. The company had that one running smooth. If the assembly line was shut down due to a late delivery ABF paid for it. Rarely was there a late delivery.
     
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  18. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    So, in the current era,...based on demographics of age and shortage of experienced drivers....... (or any driver who can pass a drug test....)...... the companies have more to lose than the employees, in the event of a strike.

    Certainly wasn't the case in 1994, with an overcapacity of drivers and equipment.
     
  19. Mike432

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    Yes I know I had worked at Churchill for 3 years...
     
  20. Homesick

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    This is exactly correct. Between the DOT regulations and the improved economy (low unemployment rate) people who are willing to drive a truck are becoming a scarce commodity.
     

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