That can backfire also though, it is them old guys that are almost ready to retire that will be the easiest YES votes in 2019. They will usually take anything that is offered just to get those last couple years in. And yes I know that they will all deny it they will all say they always vote NO.....sure!But then again if senior men leave with vacation time and everything else it works out for holland to replace them with rookies at bottom pay and no paid time off.