So let me ask. Would Penn Yah still be in business today or would they have gone the ways of other great Teamster jobs?
My crystal ball is unavailable, it's retired on a nice Teamster pension.
So let me ask. Would Penn Yah still be in business today or would they have gone the ways of other great Teamster jobs?
I stand corrected. Learn something new everyday.Not all of the ConWays were non-union. CEX, ConWay Eastern Express was formerly Penn Yan, a Teamster job. It got shut down when they wouldn't accept concessions.
All in the business plan of CF,connect all the conway's and have a total non-union transportation co.No Penn Yan Express would not be in business today.So let me ask. Would Penn Yah still be in business today or would they have gone the ways of other great Teamster jobs?
A lot of younger guys don't get how this industry changed after deregulation. He might just be curious. I came out of CFCC and spent a short stint with CF and I didn't know Con Way East was the old Penn Yan till this thread.All in the business plan of CF,connect all the conway's and have a total non-union transportation co.No Penn Yan Express would not be in business today.
So let me ask, you never had a teamster job so you have some kind of dislike for teamster companies or you have a better non-job in freight,I doubt it.
Well I have had 2 Teamster jobs. For some reason I was young and dumb back in the day and thought I need a Teamster job. Worked at one LTL carrier which closed. Hell even the local union hall closed a year later. Then I left a very good LTL non-union carrier because for some reason I believed I need a Teamster job. Work for a grocery chain for 2 year then the ax fell again. Back on the street and was told by the union we can't help you. Work for 3 other carrier and started at Con-way. So yes I have a dislike for the Teamsters, not the Teamster companies just the Teamsters. when the local rep started coming around or barn I started hearing the say stories I heard at the non-union LTL carrier I work for years ago. That was about a week after CF closed.All in the business plan of CF,connect all the conway's and have a total non-union transportation co.No Penn Yan Express would not be in business today.
So let me ask, you never had a teamster job so you have some kind of dislike for teamster companies or you have a better non-job in freight,I doubt it.
Ah yes deregulation. The Teamsters always cry about it. Yet they tell there member to still vote Democrat. It was Pres Carter signed the MCA, with the help Of Sen. Ted Kenndy in to law in 1978 that started the downward spiral. The deregulation put a stop price fixing, restriction on commodities that could be carried, and deregulated the routes and geographic regions.A lot of younger guys don't get how this industry changed after deregulation. He might just be curious. I came out of CFCC and spent a short stint with CF and I didn't know Con Way East was the old Penn Yan till this thread.
suck it up while it last. Per CSPF you only have 6 years leftMy crystal ball is unavailable, it's retired on a nice Teamster pension.
It all revolves around everyone has to work, some union, some non,at one point of time IMO it was the best freight job to be had.At this point of time the non's are very competitive, they have to be to get and keep good help.Well I have had 2 Teamster jobs. For some reason I was young and dumb back in the day and thought I need a Teamster job. Worked at one LTL carrier which closed. Hell even the local union hall closed a year later. Then I left a very good LTL non-union carrier because for some reason I believed I need a Teamster job. Work for a grocery chain for 2 year then the ax fell again. Back on the street and was told by the union we can't help you. Work for 3 other carrier and started at Con-way. So yes I have a dislike for the Teamsters, not the Teamster companies just the Teamsters. when the local rep started coming around or barn I started hearing the say stories I heard at the non-union LTL carrier I work for years ago. That was about a week after CF closed.
I say it again if what the Teamsters are selling is so great why are they having a hard time sell it?
suck it up while it last. Per CSPF you only have 6 years left
"The deregulation of the trucking industry in the 1980s resulted in the loss of more than 10,000 employers that used to contribute" to the Central States Pension Fund. This is one of the factors that "led to Central States Pension Fund’s extreme under-funding problem"
https://mycentralstatespension.org/helpful-resources/pension-crisis
Back in the day the Teamster didn't care about the small non-union carriers like AF or CCX,CWE,CSE until union doors started closing and when CF closed the :: hit the fan. The Teamster biggest failure was themselves think they were untouchable and to big to fail.It all revolves around everyone has to work, some union, some non,at one point of time IMO it was the best freight job to be had.At this point of time the non's are very competitive, they have to be to get and keep good help.
Back when Conway Eastern wanted to change all work rules, there were many union jobs with excellent pension, hourly and mileage rates.Non union jobs were where you went if you couldn't land a union job.
The teamsters dont spend enough time or energy to organize today.
you were one of the smart one. Good for you. Doing the same here. I have no pension to think about so between my company 401k and my financial advisor and smart money management I should have a couple of million to retire on.I'm not in CSPF but a small pension from another fund I'm in has already been cut drastically. I've never relied on a pension but have invested on my own all during my working career to insure that my retirement years will be comfortable. Nothing in life is guaranteed.
I remember during my time at CF both company AND teamster mouthpieces telling us rank and file "don't worry about those con ways, those guys are doing the cheap 100 to 300 mile freight, CF is doing the more profitable 500 to 1500 mile freight".Back in the day the Teamster didn't care about the small non-union carriers like AF or CCX,CWE,CSE until union doors started closing and when CF closed the :::: hit the fan. The Teamster biggest failure was themselves think they were untouchable and to big to fail.
Now the local ABF has had TV ads on prime time in my area. I saw them this past weekend and on both Sat and Sun two time both days burning the PGA Championship on 18 and 19 May. Now we know that not cheap air time.
Like .... don’t worry about those sub service guys there doing the loads nobody wants. Taking it down to the next level.I remember during my time at CF both company AND teamster mouthpieces telling us rank and file "don't worry about those con ways, those guys are doing the cheap 100 to 300 mile freight, CF is doing the more profitable 500 to 1500 mile freight".
Like .... don’t worry about those sub service guys there doing the loads nobody wants. Taking it down to the next level.
We send the stops to them to save money ( and backs ) they send them back to us ( maybe they feel like we are paid more so we should have to deliver terrible freight to terrible locations )We send horrible residential stops to last mile to deliver and they send them back to us because they are to horrible for them to deliver. Progress.
What does ABF having a commercial have anything to do with the union? O.D. has a commercial on fox news during prime time.Back in the day the Teamster didn't care about the small non-union carriers like AF or CCX,CWE,CSE until union doors started closing and when CF closed the :::: hit the fan. The Teamster biggest failure was themselves think they were untouchable and to big to fail.
Now the local ABF has had TV ads on prime time in my area. I saw them this past weekend and on both Sat and Sun two time both days burning the PGA Championship on 18 and 19 May. Now we know that not cheap air time.
My crystal balls are still workingMy crystal ball is unavailable, it's retired on a nice Teamster pension.
Surely not.We send horrible residential stops to last mile to deliver and they send them back to us because they are to horrible for them to deliver. Progress.
I live in a very heavy trucking and warehousing area. Even with the closing of NEMF they are still running WE ARE HIRING ads on TV. Even with the closing of NEMF who's barn was about 10mins from ABF and still no takers. In there ad they show the pay rate and the health benefits are fully paid by the company. Should I also mention about the trailer parked out front with the WE ARE HIRING sign on it. It's been there for the last 5yrs. Now alot of those near by companies pay alot less and some even have worst benefits then we have at XPO. Yes I remember the days when if you got into one of those union LTL barns you were set for life. Not any more. They are paying into a pension fund that is expected to be out of money by 2025. Speaking of NEMF I know for a that 10 drivers went to Estes to work. Not ABF or YRCW which is hiring to. This has nothing to do with the so called driver shortage, but more with drivers don't believe in what the union is selling. As far as I know FXF, Estes, and XPO in my area is not hiring.What does ABF having a commercial have anything to do with the union? O.D. has a commercial on fox news during prime time.