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Holland | quick question

Don't have one, but awhile back i thought there was a discussion by you guys about this. It may have been another company.
 
placards

CROCKETT said:
Who's responsible for putting on placards at your terminal? DOCK OR DRIVER?
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when they load it they are suppost to put them on.If for some reason they dont and it gets to the ready line ,you get the yard man to do it.If its a dark terminal looks like its up to you to do it .thats the proper chain .
 
It's the dock worker job to placard the load if it needs them.Or remove the placards once it has been taken off the trailer. If management has a problem with with it call OSHA,DOT,or the fire Marshal. One of them should take care of the problem.
 
CROCKETT said:
Who's responsible for putting on placards at your terminal? DOCK OR DRIVER?
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This can be debated...but...it is the driver's responsibility to make sure the proper placards are on the before the trailer. OSHA regs, require ALL haz-mat to be placard in the workplace.

I t is to the dock and haz-mat is loaded by a dock worker...HE MUST apply the proper placards at that time of loading...if the status of that load chnages...HE MUST chan the placrds to reflect the new status.

if this is a problem...then just contact the local fire marshall, and he will be glad to tell your dumbass dock supervior what the law is....if that ain't enough...just call OSHA and they too will be glad to visit and bust their *** if a load is to the dock not placard.

This is just common sense...in NY a few years ago 6 firemen were killed when they were fighting a fire in a warehouse and they had their backs to some trailers fighting a fire...the trailers were loaded with haz-mat that was not placard and the heat of the fire blew them all up....just common sense....thats all.....KK
 
In the perfect world the dock man would be allowed to do this, but unfortunately that isn't the case. I know @ our terminal we've had guys call OSHA & DOT, their response was they don't have the man power to enforce that or the wheel chocks, so they don't.. budget cuts has them cut to the bare bones..
 
Kennesaw Kid said:
This can be debated...but...it is the driver's responsibility to make sure the proper placards are on the before the trailer. OSHA regs, require ALL haz-mat to be placard in the workplace.

I t is to the dock and haz-mat is loaded by a dock worker...HE MUST apply the proper placards at that time of loading...if the status of that load chnages...HE MUST chan the placrds to reflect the new status.

if this is a problem...then just contact the local fire marshall, and he will be glad to tell your dumbass dock supervior what the law is....if that ain't enough...just call OSHA and they too will be glad to visit and bust their *** if a load is to the dock not placard.

This is just common sense...in NY a few years ago 6 firemen were killed when they were fighting a fire in a warehouse and they had their backs to some trailers fighting a fire...the trailers were loaded with haz-mat that was not placard and the heat of the fire blew them all up....just common sense....thats all.....KK
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placcards are supposed to be changed as haz mat is loaded or unloaded. this has been challenged many times and the ruling has been that when the trailer is at the dock, it is an extension of the dock, and thereby not required to be placcarded at the time, but should be when pulled away and put in ready line. but try to pinpoint when it is pulled and who was to apply placcards. once again it is put on the drivers shoulders to do one more thing and not be compensated for at a dark terminal. we have some terminals that do a good job of this, but most dont. just another example of no uniformity within this company.
 
CROCKETT said:
That i knew, but what i'm trying to find is the code that states this.
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Every terminal is suppose to have a saftey committee tell them and they will address it at the next meeting. Please dont make this a hard ball issue(who's job is it) tell the TM that yor are concerened about the saftey of your self, the public and the fireman in case of a fire and find the proper chain that is followed.If you are still having issues call the saftey dept at Holland and address your concerns, Saftey that is.
 
by dot it is the person who loads it into the trailer but it is still the driver who must check the freight bills and verify the proper placards are on the trailer.
 
tin horn said:
placcards are supposed to be changed as haz mat is loaded or unloaded. this has been challenged many times and the ruling has been that when the trailer is at the dock, it is an extension of the dock, and thereby not required to be placcarded at the time, but should be when pulled away and put in ready line. but try to pinpoint when it is pulled and who was to apply placcards. once again it is put on the drivers shoulders to do one more thing and not be compensated for at a dark terminal. we have some terminals that do a good job of this, but most dont. just another example of no uniformity within this company.
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I was told years ago by the safety dept of Holland that a dockman was not allowed off the dock to go in the yard because of safety,the placcards are to be put on by the yardman(spotter) before they pull the trailer away from the dock also any trailer that is pulled away from the dock empty and has placcards on it are to be removed by the yardman(spotter).
If the trailer is to remain closed at the dock it is up to the dock forman to placcard it.
 
Tin Horn is correct. All you guys that keep saying it needs to be done as soon as its loaded or unloaded is wrong and keep saying call hazmat or fire marshal you shouldn't say that unless you no foreshore. We had it were some one called and like tin horn said if its up to the dock its an extension of the dock, ounce its pulled away from the dock then the placards need to be changed. Your company may have different rules on when it should be done (by a dockworker rite away or not may very) but as far as law its when its pulled away.
 
in RO Operations tells the spotters what placards to put on when the loads closes and is pulled out of the dock
 
spotters just placard the trailer...and pre hook the roadies rig..spotters do a basic pretrip..IE lights but the driver must do his own
 
Its the drivers job to make sure the trailer has proper placards and driver has proper paperwork before leaving and getting on a public street.
 
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