What the non union carriers think of us at ABF.

Discussion in 'ABF Freight System' started by truxforever, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. Docker

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  2. nothumbleenough

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    I am unaware of the $230 million claim. This may be hard for you to understand but I don't watch their DVD's unless they pay me for my time. I have not visited the website created strictly as a propaganda tool known something like gotrucking@ABF. Since I have not visited it, I can't remember the exact name and don't care to look it up. The only website that I visit is ABFatwork so I can check my availability. Hell, I don't even own 1 piece of clothing that says ABF. I am not an apologist for ABF, just someone who can look at numbers realize the pension is in real trouble. I will say again, I enjoy my job very much. I want to do my best to preserve both my job and my pension. In my opinion, mandating that ABF continue to make contributions for drivers who never worked at ABF is insane and unfair. I want real and substantial change to the pension so we never have this kind of uncertainty on whether it will even exist in two to five years.
     
  3. Docker

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    Well...I've seen the DVD and was paid while seeing it. Don't worry...it'll be coming to your terminal soon if it's not already there.

    I also see that you again refuse to answer my questions:

    Ok...you now admit that they use propaganda...which is a nice word for lies. So...they actually lie on their website...right?

    Second...I said produce the calculations used to justify showing the 155 million dollar loss in the last three years.

    Third...is this statement true>>> Arkansas Best swings to profit by ending two consecutive years of losses with 2011 net income of $6.159 million.

    Fourth...so you are actually saying that by the company saying that they lost 230 million in the last 3 years is an outright lie?

    Fifth...Since they have lied on numerous occasions...why should we believe anything they have to say?


    Now...quit trying to dodge the questions and answer them!
     
  4. Docker

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    Hey Needstobehumbled: Let's look at these posts...shall we?


    Now...let's talk about your use of the word Moderator Gerbals...

    What do you always cry and whine about? Now...what do you have to say for yourself?
     
  5. Docker

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    Make sure that you stick around this time needstobehumbled...I'm just getting started to prove what a fraud you really are!
     
  6. nothumbleenough

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    Moderator Gerbals is certainly an attack on who you think it is. I appreciate the name calling on your part. Lower management, dumb management and dimwit from just your last few posts. Keep it coming. It shows your true nature and an inability to deal with the reality of our, yes that's right, our situation as we negotiate our next contract.

    It is pretty slow the last couple days which is a polite way of saying you will see more often in these threads. However, when I do a lay-down, I am away from the computer for a little more than a day or so. That certainly doesn't mean I am dodging a debate with either your or Moderator Gerbals.
     
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    Don't worry...I'll keep it coming...lol

    I just hope your little wussy ass will be able to take it without running and crying to the mods. After all...we all know how you did that in the past. You say that you have your big boy pants on now...let's see how long you will be able to keep them up...

    My guess...they'll be around your ankes in a week.[​IMG]

    Now...answer the questions!

    Ok...you now admit that they use propaganda...which is a nice word for lies. So...they actually lie on their website...right?

    Second...I said produce the calculations used to justify showing the 155 million dollar loss in the last three years.

    Third...is this statement true>>> Arkansas Best swings to profit by ending two consecutive years of losses with 2011 net income of $6.159 million.

    Fourth...so you are actually saying that by the company saying that they lost 230 million in the last 3 years is an outright lie?

    Fifth...Since they have lied on numerous occasions...why should we believe anything they have to say?


    Now...quit trying to dodge the questions and answer them!


    Plus...will you explain what a goodwill impairment charge is once again? LOL
     
  8. R-14Driver

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    ENOUGH !!! If you two want to keep the name calling and insults up take it to the PM format . End of story !
     
  9. Joe the plumber

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    Right. And i say again to your skepticism of McReynolds' numbers...a score of 95 percentile among the approximately 8,000 companies means the numbers are of the highest integrity
     
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    aw cmon its just getting good lol
     
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    Well...let's give Wolf a big hand! It figures he would give a like for this...lol
     
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    1. Yes everyone uses propaganda when they're trying to persuade the thinking of others. Many times people will cross an ethical boundary to convince others to their viewpoint and its called lying. I won't cross that boundary.
    2. No, I am not going to produce the calculations on the three years in question. The capital markets ensure companies profit and loss statements are accurate. Again, if you think ABF if isn't being honest, call the Securites and Exchange and demand some sort of investigation.
    3. Close, but I believe net income in 2011 was 5.91 million
    4. No, I am saying the company lost $155 million the last three years. I have been pretty consistent about this. If you search our long debate on the openness of the pension reform, I mentioned that same $155 million figure months ago.
    5. I have not found ABF to be dishonorable. If they have lied, for instance about this $230 million which you state they say is the amount they've lost the last three years, I would call it a big stretch, borderline lie. A pretty well known quote goes "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."
    6. I understand the dynamics of a goodwill impairment charge. The bottom line, a company isn't as valuable as it once thought it was due to many different factors.

    Lastly, I have never p.m. any of the moderators. Never, ever! What I did say (only in the public threads) is that having a moderator play both the role of moderator and belligerent is outside of any debate forum I have ever participated. And I got over it. B.T.W., leaving on a lay-down and will be gone for a day or so. But I promise to be back soon.
     
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    No...everyone doesn't cross the line to get their point across...just the dishonest ones...that's one of the big problems with society today...everyone accepts people lying to them. You won't cross that boundary...I'm sorry...you already have!

    You are the one that stated..."The 155 million is a matter of public record and also a fact". I said...prove it...by showing the calculations of how they arrived at that number. You...yourself...said that ABF lies...did you not?

    You believe wrong...but you are close so I'll let that slide. So...it's conceivable to say that ABF is back on the road to profit and that they have not lost 155 million in the last three consecutive years.

    Listen to yourself...you have not found ABF to be dishonorable...but yet...you admit they lie...just what is dishonorable in your book? There is no such thing as a borderline lie...it's a lie...pure and simple! And you didn't answer my question...let's try again...Since they have lied on numerous occasions...why should we believe anything they have to say?

    If you understand the dynamics of a goodwill impairment charge...then why did you give this answer:
    Or...are you now saying that you lied to get your viewpoint across? Or is it what you call a big stretch, borderline lie? So...which is it...were you just ignorant and tried to pass yourself off as knowledgable on the subject or did you just outright lie?

    Lastly...if you have a problem with the way a Moderator is moderating the forum...you take that up with the Administrators...don't cry and whine about it on the public forum...that accomplishes nothing except to make you look like a whiner.
     
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    Here you go again...opening your mouth about something you know nothing about.Did I say that she was cooking the books...no...in fact...I said the opposite...so why don't you try and pay closer attention next time.
     
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    Here's something else to ponder on:

    CEO Profile: Judy R. McReynolds of Arkansas Best Corp.

    Now...what did she attribute the turnaround to? Also...did she mention ABF's high cost structure even just once? Why should she...that interview was six months ago...it wasn't contract time then...was it?
     

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