TForce | who benefits from this

[galaxy99dx]

There are others who turn 3 times and don't work the dock they would lose more than me they would have to spend 21 hours a week dropping and hooking just to make the same money, if they plan for a 14 hour day that onle leaves them about 9 hours to drive there almost 500 miles, there saying it is not possible.

My point is there are legitimate reasons to vote no on this contract, they could have negoitiated a contract where everyone benefits.

Delay pay? if you arrive 3 hours before your scheduled depart time you would still have to sit for 2 and 1/2 hours before you get payed, that is why I work the dock until my trailers are ready as most drivers here do. So that is a non issue. I get payed from minuite 1.

I should try it in some of the congested terminals? I do it in orlanda, that is the florida hub we have 3 completely seperate yards with no lightning in two of them, no it is not the biggest but it is bigger than average.

There are alot of people who beleive they will be better off financially if they vote yes, but they have not taken the time to sit down and actually figuire it out.

How am I getting over on the current system?

Please go on and on how this contract is gonna benefit me, how am I gonna make up for the $3500 I will lose in 401k match I will lose a year, how much intrest will $3500 accrue over 25 years?

In Florida my insurance, extra ADD and extra life insurance cost me a whopping $7.06 per week, in the contract it will go up to $50 for just medical correct?

and I will have to pay $58 a month for dues.

I will be taking a huge pay cut, I don't gain anything. I think there are alot of people in my situation but they just haven't realised it.

500 miles should be 8.5 hours easy.

 

[galaxy99dx]

There are others who turn 3 times and don't work the dock they would lose more than me they would have to spend 21 hours a week dropping and hooking just to make the same money, if they plan for a 14 hour day that onle leaves them about 9 hours to drive there almost 500 miles, there saying it is not possible.

My point is there are legitimate reasons to vote no on this contract, they could have negoitiated a contract where everyone benefits.

Delay pay? if you arrive 3 hours before your scheduled depart time you would still have to sit for 2 and 1/2 hours before you get payed, that is why I work the dock until my trailers are ready as most drivers here do. So that is a non issue. I get payed from minuite 1.

I should try it in some of the congested terminals? I do it in orlanda, that is the florida hub we have 3 completely seperate yards with no lightning in two of them, no it is not the biggest but it is bigger than average.

There are alot of people who beleive they will be better off financially if they vote yes, but they have not taken the time to sit down and actually figuire it out.

How am I getting over on the current system?

Please go on and on how this contract is gonna benefit me, how am I gonna make up for the $3500 I will lose in 401k match I will lose a year, how much intrest will $3500 accrue over 25 years?

In Florida my insurance, extra ADD and extra life insurance cost me a whopping $7.06 per week, in the contract it will go up to $50 for just medical correct?

and I will have to pay $58 a month for dues.

I will be taking a huge pay cut, I don't gain anything. I think there are alot of people in my situation but they just haven't realised it.

500 miles should be 8.5 hours easy.

 

[upgf695]

There are others who turn 3 times and don't work the dock they would lose more than me they would have to spend 21 hours a week dropping and hooking just to make the same money, if they plan for a 14 hour day that onle leaves them about 9 hours to drive there almost 500 miles, there saying it is not possible.

My point is there are legitimate reasons to vote no on this contract, they could have negoitiated a contract where everyone benefits.

Delay pay? if you arrive 3 hours before your scheduled depart time you would still have to sit for 2 and 1/2 hours before you get payed, that is why I work the dock until my trailers are ready as most drivers here do. So that is a non issue. I get payed from minuite 1.

I should try it in some of the congested terminals? I do it in orlanda, that is the florida hub we have 3 completely seperate yards with no lightning in two of them, no it is not the biggest but it is bigger than average.

There are alot of people who beleive they will be better off financially if they vote yes, but they have not taken the time to sit down and actually figuire it out.

How am I getting over on the current system?

Please go on and on how this contract is gonna benefit me, how am I gonna make up for the $3500 I will lose in 401k match I will lose a year, how much intrest will $3500 accrue over 25 years?

In Florida my insurance, extra ADD and extra life insurance cost me a whopping $7.06 per week, in the contract it will go up to $50 for just medical correct?

and I will have to pay $58 a month for dues.

I will be taking a huge pay cut, I don't gain anything. I think there are alot of people in my situation but they just haven't realised it.

but just wait until UPS finds that your run does not work with our system once they expand and your run is cut.then what are you going to do? you will be like the rest of us. nothing that was the way it is. is going to stay the same. the could get you for stealing co. time. what if and you know they will turn into a$$holes about everything little thing. and you loose a trailer for some reason. they will say that you did not use the full amount of time that you were paid to pretrip your trailers and can you for that reason. just a thought

 

[upgf695]

There are others who turn 3 times and don't work the dock they would lose more than me they would have to spend 21 hours a week dropping and hooking just to make the same money, if they plan for a 14 hour day that onle leaves them about 9 hours to drive there almost 500 miles, there saying it is not possible.

My point is there are legitimate reasons to vote no on this contract, they could have negoitiated a contract where everyone benefits.

Delay pay? if you arrive 3 hours before your scheduled depart time you would still have to sit for 2 and 1/2 hours before you get payed, that is why I work the dock until my trailers are ready as most drivers here do. So that is a non issue. I get payed from minuite 1.

I should try it in some of the congested terminals? I do it in orlanda, that is the florida hub we have 3 completely seperate yards with no lightning in two of them, no it is not the biggest but it is bigger than average.

There are alot of people who beleive they will be better off financially if they vote yes, but they have not taken the time to sit down and actually figuire it out.

How am I getting over on the current system?

Please go on and on how this contract is gonna benefit me, how am I gonna make up for the $3500 I will lose in 401k match I will lose a year, how much intrest will $3500 accrue over 25 years?

In Florida my insurance, extra ADD and extra life insurance cost me a whopping $7.06 per week, in the contract it will go up to $50 for just medical correct?

and I will have to pay $58 a month for dues.

I will be taking a huge pay cut, I don't gain anything. I think there are alot of people in my situation but they just haven't realised it.

but just wait until UPS finds that your run does not work with our system once they expand and your run is cut.then what are you going to do? you will be like the rest of us. nothing that was the way it is. is going to stay the same. the could get you for stealing co. time. what if and you know they will turn into a$$holes about everything little thing. and you loose a trailer for some reason. they will say that you did not use the full amount of time that you were paid to pretrip your trailers and can you for that reason. just a thought

 

[Browne1]

500 miles should be 8.5 hours easy.

Thank you I agree. I want to eventually get paid more per mile and be home more. People always seem to focus on the negative. If you can hook trailers that fast good you'll be home earlier. I want to be able to hook my trailers at a reasonable speed, do a thorough pretrip and know I'm getting paid. Especially when you have to wait for trailers to be loaded etc...I want all delay pay because it is not my fault.

 

[Browne1]

500 miles should be 8.5 hours easy.

Thank you I agree. I want to eventually get paid more per mile and be home more. People always seem to focus on the negative. If you can hook trailers that fast good you'll be home earlier. I want to be able to hook my trailers at a reasonable speed, do a thorough pretrip and know I'm getting paid. Especially when you have to wait for trailers to be loaded etc...I want all delay pay because it is not my fault.

 

[teamster elvis]

but just wait until UPS finds that your run does not work with our system once they expand and your run is cut.then what are you going to do? you will be like the rest of us. nothing that was the way it is. is going to stay the same. the could get you for stealing co. time. what if and you know they will turn into a$$holes about everything little thing. and you loose a trailer for some reason. they will say that you did not use the full amount of time that you were paid to pretrip your trailers and can you for that reason. just a thought

This is a good point. I personally take pride in doing my job in a timely fashion. But I also take pride in doing it in a safe manner. And my mvr reflects this fact. That being said. So many companies today prescribe to this (piece work) pay structure for their line drivers. ie. set pay for hooks and breaks, payed by the mile etc. In my opinion, this method of pay invites an unsafe working environment. I'm not talking about the drivers who have been around a while, and resist the temptation to cut corners on pre trips, not checking paper work, etc. But you all know the kind of driver that I am speaking of here. Usually a new guy who is rushing through these drops and hooks, hauling haz mat to meets and turns without any idea which placards should be applied. Driving at unsafe speeds to try and make more money per hour. I'm not talking about Upsf here. I'm speaking about all companies who pay line drivers in this manner. Like I said, it works for those drivers who take the time to do it correctly. And maybe not so well for those who try to get .7 hrs of pay in .3 hrs. of hooking and breaking. Elvis out...

 

[teamster elvis]

but just wait until UPS finds that your run does not work with our system once they expand and your run is cut.then what are you going to do? you will be like the rest of us. nothing that was the way it is. is going to stay the same. the could get you for stealing co. time. what if and you know they will turn into a$$holes about everything little thing. and you loose a trailer for some reason. they will say that you did not use the full amount of time that you were paid to pretrip your trailers and can you for that reason. just a thought

This is a good point. I personally take pride in doing my job in a timely fashion. But I also take pride in doing it in a safe manner. And my mvr reflects this fact. That being said. So many companies today prescribe to this (piece work) pay structure for their line drivers. ie. set pay for hooks and breaks, payed by the mile etc. In my opinion, this method of pay invites an unsafe working environment. I'm not talking about the drivers who have been around a while, and resist the temptation to cut corners on pre trips, not checking paper work, etc. But you all know the kind of driver that I am speaking of here. Usually a new guy who is rushing through these drops and hooks, hauling haz mat to meets and turns without any idea which placards should be applied. Driving at unsafe speeds to try and make more money per hour. I'm not talking about Upsf here. I'm speaking about all companies who pay line drivers in this manner. Like I said, it works for those drivers who take the time to do it correctly. And maybe not so well for those who try to get .7 hrs of pay in .3 hrs. of hooking and breaking. Elvis out...

 

[Apostolic]

better to treat every day like its your first day on the job.
Being paranoid,and totally focus on everything we are supposed to do to be safe,and doing it in the confines of the time limits we have.

Stick with the major issues,and try to do as many minor things as time allows.
This should keep us all out of trouble with the big brown trucking machine.

 

[Apostolic]

better to treat every day like its your first day on the job.
Being paranoid,and totally focus on everything we are supposed to do to be safe,and doing it in the confines of the time limits we have.

Stick with the major issues,and try to do as many minor things as time allows.
This should keep us all out of trouble with the big brown trucking machine.

 

[Overnite]

but just wait until UPS finds that your run does not work with our system once they expand and your run is cut.then what are you going to do? you will be like the rest of us. nothing that was the way it is. is going to stay the same. the could get you for stealing co. time. what if and you know they will turn into a$$holes about everything little thing. and you loose a trailer for some reason. they will say that you did not use the full amount of time that you were paid to pretrip your trailers and can you for that reason. just a thought

How am I stealing time?

 

[Overnite]

but just wait until UPS finds that your run does not work with our system once they expand and your run is cut.then what are you going to do? you will be like the rest of us. nothing that was the way it is. is going to stay the same. the could get you for stealing co. time. what if and you know they will turn into a$$holes about everything little thing. and you loose a trailer for some reason. they will say that you did not use the full amount of time that you were paid to pretrip your trailers and can you for that reason. just a thought

How am I stealing time?

 

[Overnite]

how is 500 miles in 8.5 hours easy?
you have to average almost 60 MPH.

And incase you did not read my whole post I said that leaves, 9 hours total for 500 miles driving, there are three trips so they have a chance to be delayed 3 times, also if they run into any problem traffic accident, bad dolley, lights out on trailer, they will not have the time to do the third turn.

It is funny how people say there should be no problem doing the 500 miles in 8.5 hours, then they say slow down and be more careful.

The whole point of this is to show a few people on here that there are people who are going to lose money.

 

[Overnite]

how is 500 miles in 8.5 hours easy?
you have to average almost 60 MPH.

And incase you did not read my whole post I said that leaves, 9 hours total for 500 miles driving, there are three trips so they have a chance to be delayed 3 times, also if they run into any problem traffic accident, bad dolley, lights out on trailer, they will not have the time to do the third turn.

It is funny how people say there should be no problem doing the 500 miles in 8.5 hours, then they say slow down and be more careful.

The whole point of this is to show a few people on here that there are people who are going to lose money.

 

[BusterNite]

I do a double turn and always spot my trailers to the dock that is a .3 and a .4 on every turn also hook to a city trailer at the end of my shift and fuel once a night total that is 2.9 sometimes I will pull 1 or 2 trailers at my terminal when asked to but that is not everynight so I won't count it

2.9 x 5 days 14.5 hours
14.5 hours x $21.50 = $311.75

For me to make the same thing as now, I have to spend 14.5 hours dropping and hooking per week

I work my terminals outbound freight and work the dock at the hub at my discretion

If we vote to be union, I have to slow down and take 3 hours a day to drop and hook to keep the same pay, currently I can drop and hook in about half the time we are allowed.

if I plan on working a 14 hour a day that leaves me 11 hours after the drops and hooks, working my temnals outbound can take 3-4 hours, now I am down to 7 hours, It takes about 6-7 hours of driving to make the turn twice,

I am not left any time to work dock at the hub becuase I spent those hours dropping and hooking, also when my terminals outbound is slow I make those hours up at the hub by working and hour or 2 there. So my schedule is pretty consistent.

if you kept up through all of this the short version is I will lose about 2 hours of pay a day, the reducued time when delay pay starts ":30 before vs 1 hour after scheduled depart time" helps me none.

City drivers have nothing to give up they win all the way around if we go union, there has to be other road drivers in my situation.

If the 34 hour restart ever comes back into play they will have to start hooking my set and then I am really in a hole.

You hook to a city trailer at the end of your shift???And get paid for it? I also do the same. But I have been told that this is not part of my job and will not be paid for it. I still hook it for the driver I share my truck with. He used to hook my dolly for me at the end of his day before fueling but was told that he would be fired if it did it any more. Its not his job and the TM will not pay him to do it. He also was told he could not punch out and then hook the dolly. Punch out and leave the property. I guess you have different rules at your terminal.

 

[Overnite]

we do the same he unhooks at the end of his shift and hooks to my dolly, and I do the refuelling. I don't know why this wouldn't be considered part of your job.

You could do this tell him not to unhook at the end of his shift that way you get paid to break down his trailer. That would be part of your job.

It all depends on your tm, if you got a good one, then your ok.

It seems like you don't.

 

[boats]

currently we are payed a set amount for each action in .3 to hook a set .4 to break a set and back both to a door and .1 to move a piece of equiptment.

me and most everyone can do it faster than that, I have seen road drivers come to my terminal and have a 15 minuite turnaround time that is dropping out of a set and hooking a set. there getting paid for .7 hours and only taking .25 to do it.

If we go union we will be paid for the actual time it takes sounds great but once we slow down and take 3-5 hours a night dropping and hooking that doesn't leave enough time to make your run without going over 14 hours, you would lose your third turn, or second turn if you travel a longer distance.

the guys that run TMP to ORO and OCA to ORO turn 3 times and can not do it if they spend 4 hours a night dropping and hooking, they will lose there third turn.

This is one of the reasons our d&h were cut a few yrs ago. Guys rushing around and trying to break their time limits and bragging about it. These guys were the first ones to start crying when the d&h gut cut. If your hooking in a small facility . And you know were trailers are of course your going to hook quicker than say someone trying to find and hook their trailers in say HRS,GAF. Never mind in the snow or adverse conditions I've seen some of these sheduled guys rushing around trying to hook in less than 18 min. Let's just say that is one B/S pre-trip.

 

[teamster elvis]

This is one of the reasons our d&h were cut a few yrs ago. Guys rushing around and trying to break their time limits and bragging about it. These guys were the first ones to start crying when the d&h gut cut. If your hooking in a small facility . And you know were trailers are of course your going to hook quicker than say someone trying to find and hook their trailers in say HRS,GAF. Never mind in the snow or adverse conditions I've seen some of these sheduled guys rushing around trying to hook in less than 18 min. Let's just say that is one B/S pre-trip.

Amen Boats. Excellent post. Elvis out...