The Carolinas also had 3 boards, if there was a job opening, you could bid on either, but go to the bottom until bid time.
You then picked up all your seniority.
TForce | 2023 Contract negotiations.
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You then picked up all your seniority.
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Gary Busey lookalike….
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1000%…..too little too late now unfortunately! This is the least union -union company I have ever seen! Nothing but Rats and I’ve got mine type workers! This is something that takes a decade or more to change!
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Unfortunately, in a "Right to work", {for less} world you can have your cake and eat it too.
The head knockin, he tripped in the trailer, workplace is over.
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Estes is not union and they bid every run once a year in march and the run you have now if no seniority can be taken from you. It takes years to build up enough to were you hopefully wont get bumped. They also allow other drivers from other terminals to come in and knock during that time if they have joined the terminal 90 days prior.
Exactly what I would expect from a single list company time bid barn, but once you start classification seniority you can't or shouldn't eliminate it because some guys want to try a new classification and cherry pick to the top.
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Nothing formal at this point.
I'm certain they are informally meeting, kind of feeling each side out. If I recall correctly, the last contract started around March.
The new union leadership has stated that there will be no negotiating past a contract expectation date on an initial agreement. So I suspect TFI will want this next contract in the rearview mirror ASAP. They aren't ups, they don't have the market leverage to do what ups did in 2018.
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Yes too often that was the only way for the unions to grow. It was fine until someone beat your child to a pulp because they were not interested in joining a union. Then it was different.
Hence why most unions have outlived their usefulness. Without the threat of violence they have little to offer. Most times they are outsmarted by their employing companies.
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If I remember correctly, the last UPS Freight contract was handled brilliantly by UPS. The strike threat existed, so if I remember correctly the company began winding down operations by longest transit time lanes first. Then backtracked. Starting with 5 day lanes, then 4 day lanes then 3 and so on.
The union buckled before they got to 2 day lanes and customer defections were massive.
I would not be surprised to see the same tactics on any upcoming contract.
besides there are too many better LTL carriers out there looking for business.....
Funny, if you read the Teamster Magazine, each month there organizing different industries, doesn't appear anyone is getting knocked in the head to join, just saying
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You mean other than a pension and health-care plan paid for by the employer?
You mean other than a grievance process that keeps the employer from being able to violate your seniority without paying for it?
You mean other than a grievance process that gets your job back with full back pay when you are wrongfully discharged?
You mean other than contract language that protects you from “economic termination” instead of a layoff that allows you to return to your job with your seniority intact?
And that is just a few of many examples there Puffy!!!
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The Union didn't "buckle", it was, as in how it should be, the members voted their best interests as they saw fit. it was a "last, best" and it was one minute to midnight, and it was what it was. UPS wanted out of the LTL game, and it was clear that it was move on or move out. UPS did give in on a few sticking points, it was not a total futile exercise, but the well was dry.
UPS played their hand well, we kept healthcare costs at 2018 levels, still remained top pay till the last few years when an unforeseen virus scare sent the whole industry on a new path.
At least we had a voice and a choice.
Im an example of your second point. Without the union i could have been looking for work thru the holidays.
Before the 2018 contract, Tome, (on the board since the beginning) Had her mind made up. She was going to get UPS out of the LTL Business one way or another. We did the right thing, the only thing to keep us employed. As a few said on here, they would have closed it up. Its History.
Alain Doesn't want a black eye while he is trying to build the TFI brand in the US. The smartest thing he can do is to negotiate fairly, and make T Force a Trailblazer in the LTL industry.
Alain Doesn't want a black eye while he is trying to build the TFI brand in the US. The smartest thing he can do is to negotiate fairly, and make T Force a Trailblazer in the LTL industry.
You are correct on the winding down of operations. UPS Freight did the right thing by the customer by ensuring them they would not "trap" their freight for days/weeks had a strike occurred. Business defections were very low, business volumes came back quickly because most customers had better rates with UPS Freight than they did with their competitors. With business slowing and a looming recession into mid 2023, the timing could not be worse for contract negotiations for the teamsters. Bedard is going to raise wages but demand reasonable concessions on healthcare. He will get it too. The market ( over the long haul, no pun intended) determines wages and benefit packages, not the unions. Yellow is a mess, a complete disaster. Without another gubbamint bailout they won't be here in ten years. ABF has played it well, they are a premier freight handler and get paid accordingly. TForce/UPS Freight bought their business through cheap rates, they are now trying to become an ABF and an OD but it isn't going to work with the current mgmt in place and a union that hates and fights mgmt like it does.
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Another one with a crystal ball...
Comparing UPS and TFI ? Ups freight was 3% of ups business. TForce freight is 40% of TFI. Last time I checked 40 was a hell of a lot more than 3.
The truth on how ups was running freight all came out after the sale. Ups purposefully ran ups freight as a loss, giving their best small pack shippers basically free freight shipments.
The 2018 contract debacle was all on the teamsters leadership. They allowed the negotiations to remain secret and the contract to expire, extending it until almost thanksgiving.
There was never a strike plan, not that it was even an option. The IBT didn't even file the paperwork with the NLRB . They forced the ups contract through with the 2/3 rule and left us in a lurch. It was the plan all along. Luckily the vast majority of freight employees saw this, and voted in the last best offer.
Thankfully Hoffa is gone and there will be no shady backdoor deals.
The truth on how ups was running freight all came out after the sale. Ups purposefully ran ups freight as a loss, giving their best small pack shippers basically free freight shipments.
The 2018 contract debacle was all on the teamsters leadership. They allowed the negotiations to remain secret and the contract to expire, extending it until almost thanksgiving.
There was never a strike plan, not that it was even an option. The IBT didn't even file the paperwork with the NLRB . They forced the ups contract through with the 2/3 rule and left us in a lurch. It was the plan all along. Luckily the vast majority of freight employees saw this, and voted in the last best offer.
Thankfully Hoffa is gone and there will be no shady backdoor deals.
" Ups purposefully ran ups freight as a loss, giving their best small pack shippers basically free freight shipments." That is the biggest bunch of BS nonsense I've ever heard. No truth to this statement whatsoever, that is a fact.