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Yellow | 2024 contract
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Razorblade
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We agree on a few things. I'm beginning to worry. Let's not make a habit of this.
Your time and talent are valuable. Investors deserve to make a profit. It's a balance of Socialist unions and Capitalist investors that make the system work for everyone. Nearly 1000 union carriers have gone broke because the balance broke. When unions over price their labor, when the cost of doing business exceeds revenues, companies slowly starve, run out of cash and die leaving the union employees out of work and without income or healthcare.
Trucking companies produce nothing. They have no unique or patent pending product to sell. There are hundreds of companies providing the same service, meaning revenue is determined by free market competition. The only controllable cost in transportation is labor.
Blame management or anyone else you choose for Yellow's problems. The reality is that this is the state of things today. If Yellow is to remain viable and you are to continue to be employed there, you, as a group, are going to have continue to do more for less. That may mean healthcare premiums, reasonable copays and deductibles. The choice will be yours. There will be a final, best offer. Vote to remain employed or vote to shut it down.
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so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
All labor of equal value.
Sounds like unions to me. Organized labor that bargains collectively. All labor of equal value (dock only and CDL driver with the same hourly rate). No reward for individual work ethic or productivity. Profits belong to workers.
The last two sentences are Interesting... I live in the real world and I know that most of the time the reward for work ethic is going to go to the biggest ass kisser....and you have said that profits DON'T belong to the workers so there fore union membership can't be socialist right?
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Yeah ..It's a bunch of bull.
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Read it again.
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
All labor of equal value.
A theory that advocates.
Unions are collectives. Hence the term collective bargaining.
Collectivism is straight out of The Communist Manifesto. "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
"Theory-advocates" Read anything slave and most others write. It's undeniable. Read your own posts. ABF makes a profit, and you believe that by itself means you should be paid more. Isn't the flip side Yellow is not showing profits, so they should be paid less?
I have written many times, including on this thread, that America works because of the socialist/capitalist balance. Both are evil on their own but when balanced they produce the greatest economy the world has ever known. When the pendulum swings too far in either direction, it self corrects.
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I never expected you to understand.
Razorblade
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you pick nothing apart.
I write a detailed thoughtful post and you reply with a snide sentence that says nothing. you need some new material.
Yellow hasn't made any profits, we are going down to 290 terminals and only have 195 million cash on hand. But a debt of 1.6 billion and need to upgrade our equipment because they keep breaking down trailors have giant holes. The end is near for the Yellow dog no 1 will lend us any more money.. They've lost money at the rate they pay us now. Been selling terminals just to stay afloat this long. We had over 600 terminals and 72,000 workers at 1 time. Now 30,000 workers and stock down to 2 dollars. Sears had over 4000 stores in 2000 look at them now. Same thing is happening with us. Closing and selling of properties till nothing left..
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Unions are busting themselves. If unions really offered a valuable service, they would not be afraid of Right to Work laws and unions would not have trouble organizing.
Workers want a reasonable compensation package, stability and job security. They want to be able to plan a future without worrying about being suddenly unemployed. What they see is union companies closing. What they see is underfunded pension funds. What they see, on this board, is a bunch of Teamsters who constantly complain and hate their jobs. What they see is the largest union carrier in the country, Yellow, paying less than non unions, Yellow's junk equipment and a company slowly going out of business.
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Maybe you should take a closer look at their contract so you might know what the hell you are talking about. The “CDL/Endorsements” holder makes a set wage, while the “Driving/Non-CDL holder makes $2.00 an hour less. And the Utility Employee with CDL/Endorsements makes $1.00 per hour more per their Master Contract. Meanwhile, road drivers are payed by the mile or hourly if on duty non-driving.
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Maybe you should take a closer look at their contract so you might know what the hell you are talking about. The “CDL/Endorsements” holder makes a set wage, while the “Driving/Non-CDL holder makes $2.00 an hour less. And the Utility Employee with CDL/Endorsements makes $1.00 per hour more per their Master Contract. Meanwhile, road drivers are payed by the mile or hourly if on duty non-driving.
I don't see much about upper management recognition in the contract so here are a few suggestions.
1. A five minute round of applause for supervisors every morning.
2. A bronze statue of the current terminal manager, likewise for the shop supervisor.
3. A marble slab memorial listing every terminal manager who ever retired from said terminal.
4. A heated and cooled golf cart to drive management from the parking lot to the building.
5. A filet mignon with all the trimmings prepared to management's liking every Friday.
And if Big R GUY ever makes it to management, a reclining massage chair shaped like a Volvo mirror with the number 46 stitched in the headrest.
You need to read my post again....it was directed at you saying that profits don't belong to the employees...my point being since you say they don't then it's not socialism...if you read my posts I have never said by itself ABF making a profit is a reason to give us a raise, I just don't mention the other reasons every time I post because I didn't think it was necessary....in the last ten years we have gotten about 2 dollars an hour increase in hourly rates.....20 cents a year...now ABF is very profitable they can afford a good raise, that is the crux of what everyone is saying...and as far as Yellow making less because they are losing money you should get your head out of your ass and check....They are making less!!!!!
30-35-40-45-50. Years 1 thru 5
Then take the 5 years before that with the concessionairy contract and its ten years, 2 dollars....
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Read your post slowly or proof read before posting.
Yes, I said, and believe, that profits do not belong to the employees. Profits belong to those who own the company.
"ABF is very profitable, they can afford a good raise." Why does that mean you should get a pay increase? It means that you believe profits belong to employees. A socialist point of view.
"Yellow is making less because they are losing money." Yellow is still able to hire drivers at the lower rate. How much is the job worth? Is their labor worth less than yours or are you overpaid?
So you completely ignored what I said about the last ten years....we took less because the company was hurting, now they are making a good profit, so why wouldn't I expect more????....and I worked for YRC at one time and I didn't want to work for less, so I left...what we are talking about is NEGOTIATIONS not keeping everything the same...
How about the massage chair is mobile, and can take me out to my tandem at the shift start, then it is parked in a weather proof cubicle while I am working, and will be there waiting to take me to the clock to punch out...Controlled of course on my handheld from the tractor so I can have it warmed up during the winter, along with a built in Keurig.
Will Wong insist on using it 15% of the time?
NO! That bastard would spill Ridge popcorn all over and down the cushion.Will Wong insist on using it 15% of the time?