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[quote author=JustAWorkingMan link=topic=80004.msg829884#msg829884 date=1273888104]
[quote author=stoneyABF link=topic=80004.msg829875#msg829875 date=1273885608]
[quote author=JustAWorkingMan link=topic=80004.msg829866#msg829866 date=1273881789]
Well Stoney, I finally get the picture. You're voting yes because you're just thinking of yourself!I've read your last posts and you keep mentioning me,myself and I.Just say that you are voting yes because you got to take care of No. 1!!!!!! That's what it boils down to. You can afford the 15% cut easily,good for you.How about some of you're union brothers that can't miss a single hour without pay that your vote would force his pay cut!No problem,he's just that narrow minded, hotheaded driver!The word selfish comes to my mind!!! How about what all the Teamsters in the past had to give to get what we have today! No problem,they were just narrow minded, hotheaded drivers!!! Let's push the old timers out who have earned that right to stay as long as they damn well please.No problem,they are just narrow minded, hotheaded drivers!!! I could just keep going but I'll stop now.It's all about you Stoney!!!!!
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Its not my job to worry about other drivers. And I voted yes to help the company stay open in my opinion. Wanting our company to stay open would be good for everybody, wouldn't it? And if a Teamster who couldn't afford a 15% cut probably needs to look at there own finances. It amazes me, that Teamsters brag about how good we're paid and such, but yet complain that they can not afford to miss a day of work. Oh boo freakin hoo :hissy:


I see alot of nice cars and pickups in the parking lot. Guys always brag about there new boat or travel trailers. Nice big houses. But if they miss a day or two of work, they can't there boat and trailer payments. No I don't feel sorry for those clowns.


Ya we have old timers who stay till 70, but we have young men with families laid off. Ya, I want those old farts to retire. Wow, how selfish of me!

You know, some of the biggest crybabies are Teamsters.
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ROFLMAO - And all the time you talk about narrow minded hot headed drivers...lol If you despise the Teamsters so much,why are you in the union.I'll tell you why,for the wages and benefits and that is all. Do you even have the slightest idea what solidarity is anyway?Don't even try and tell me that you care about the young men with families laid off! We both know better,don't we? You're more concerned with the old timers and moving up on seniority.
What I relly like is that you say that you are doing this for good for everybody and in the same paragraph you say that its not my job to worry about other drivers.Why do you contradict yourself so much? I'll tell you why,to fool yourself into believing that you are looking out for everyone else and not yourself.
Just remember that you are the one,so easily, willing to give away what Teamsters before you fought so hard for.Atleast,now I know why, like you said yourself, "some of the biggest crybabies are Teamsters"!
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Can you guys read? I said its not of my concern to worry if other ABFers can afford a 15% cut. I just want them to have a job. And in my opinion, I feel a YES vote is the best way to save our jobs.

And yes I do care about our lower guys and laid of guys. I was one of few guys when it was really slow, that would turn down runs, take ATO when I didn't have my runs in, hoping the lower guys and or laid off guys would get a run.

I like all these personal attacks on me just because I voted YES!
 
[quote author=leftyblack link=topic=80004.msg829955#msg829955 date=1273907931]
[quote author=stoneyABF link=topic=80004.msg829875#msg829875 date=1273885608]
[quote author=JustAWorkingMan link=topic=80004.msg829866#msg829866 date=1273881789]
Well Stoney, I finally get the picture. You're voting yes because you're just thinking of yourself!I've read your last posts and you keep mentioning me,myself and I.Just say that you are voting yes because you got to take care of No. 1!!!!!! That's what it boils down to. You can afford the 15% cut easily,good for you.How about some of you're union brothers that can't miss a single hour without pay that your vote would force his pay cut!No problem,he's just that narrow minded, hotheaded driver!The word selfish comes to my mind!!! How about what all the Teamsters in the past had to give to get what we have today! No problem,they were just narrow minded, hotheaded drivers!!! Let's push the old timers out who have earned that right to stay as long as they damn well please.No problem,they are just narrow minded, hotheaded drivers!!! I could just keep going but I'll stop now.It's all about you Stoney!!!!!
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Its not my job to worry about other drivers. And I voted yes to help the company stay open in my opinion. Wanting our company to stay open would be good for everybody, wouldn't it? And if a Teamster who couldn't afford a 15% cut probably needs to look at there own finances. It amazes me, that Teamsters brag about how good we're paid and such, but yet complain that they can not afford to miss a day of work. Oh boo freakin hoo :hissy:


I see alot of nice cars and pickups in the parking lot. Guys always brag about there new boat or travel trailers. Nice big houses. But if they miss a day or two of work, they can't there boat and trailer payments. No I don't feel sorry for those clowns.


Ya we have old timers who stay till 70, but we have young men with families laid off. Ya, I want those old farts to retire. Wow, how selfish of me!

You know, some of the biggest crybabies are Teamsters.
[/quote]Yes it is selfish of you !! my question is why can't you dispute anything in my original statement. 120 million in the bank & no debt !! yet you feel we need to give back 15% to keep the company from folding ??
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Sorry Lefty, I got busy posting to these other guys, I forgot bout your question. If you reread my original reasoning for voting Yes, it had more to do with the economy than ABF themselves. Yes ABF is still debt free, and still has roughly 120 million in the bank. And I believe ABF is going to need every bit of that 120 million plus our 15% to stay alive through the second dip recession that I believe is coming.
From what I understand, ABF had roughly 450 million in the bank in 08. Now we only have 120 million. That's a bit drain in just over a year. That's the 300 million I was talking about. And these numbers were given to me from our Union and ABF. I go on whats in front of me............not CONCSPERCY THEROIES!!!!!!!!!
 
[quote author=mikey link=topic=80004.msg830098#msg830098 date=1273957734]
[quote author=stoneyABF link=topic=80004.msg829760#msg829760 date=1273854726]
See what I mean by narrowminded, hotheaded drivers. This coming from a guy who thought Obama saved the world economy.
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You know, I really expected a more intelligent, articulate answer from you Stones. I really thought that the quintessential CAPITALIST, would have better answers when your CAPITALIST idols want to reach into your wallet for your capital.

Back to the IGNORE LIST with you. Have a nice life.
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Again selective reading by you guys. I did through Capitalist Pig truth into my answers. If you go back a few posts, you'll see my reasoning was about the economy and not ABF themselves. An economy that our Hope, and Change clown of a President is running into the ground. The same President that you said saved the World Economy!!!! That one still makes me laugh Mikey!!! :biglaugh:

Too bad you won't read this post. Go ahead keep me on ignore. I know, its hard to debate the truth!!!!
 
[quote author=18Wheeler link=topic=80004.msg830207#msg830207 date=1273989561]
Stoney ABF, I wish you were not a union brother. I am not an old driver ready to retire. I bet if ABF told you the sky was green you would believe. Listen, pay cuts until 2013 is way to long. It should at a min. be voted on each year. Stoney, you are an embarrassment to the union. Please take your saving and buy a tractor and be an owner operator. If unions are that bad for you please leave and let someone with a backbone have your position. Stoney, you sound like a :buttkisser: and please consider that owner operator position. Your kind discuss me talking bad about the union but won't leave because you won't find it better without the union. If you need help with tractor dealers in your area let me know.
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Wow, another one who can't read!!!!! Keep on wishing my Union Brother!!!! "An embarrassment to the union".............Why thank you, that actually a compliment!!!!
 
Stoney I respect your vote, everyone has to do what is best for them and their family. My question is what is ABF motivation to call anyone back to work. With the 20% call back leading to a snapback in wages do you think ABF will call anyone back. They will do all they can with what they have now, do as much as you can with as little as you can. I am working 60 plus hours a week, not by choice but because we can't get the work done. We are getting more inside and turnkey deliveries than ever. The TM will not put guys back to work now. I am willing to bet if the concessions pass, he will not no time soon. I would rather work 40 or so and let the other guys with families make a living also. PS I can live without the extra 15% of pay easy but what about the people who can't. If you don't like what someone has to say attack the post not the person, we can all agree to disagree.
 
You really are a piece of work stoney!!!!!!!!!!! Here you go crying like a little kid! You say " I like all these personal attacks on me just because I voted YES!"

Now it couldn't be remarks like this could it?
1. You know, some of the biggest crybabies are Teamsters.
2.I see alot of nice cars and pickups in the parking lot. Guys always brag about there new boat or travel trailers. Nice big houses. But if they miss a day or two of work, they can't there boat and trailer payments. No I don't feel sorry for those clowns.
3.Ya we have old timers who stay till 70, but we have young men with families laid off. Ya, I want those old farts to retire.
4.It amazes me, that Teamsters brag about how good we're paid and such, but yet complain that they can not afford to miss a day of work. Oh boo freakin hoo :hissy:

That's like the little kid in the schoolyard mentality who picks on another kid then starts crying and telling the teacher when that other kid picks back! Now,how can you just sit there and actually say that you didn't make any personal attacks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Stoney why is it your only defense is "You can't read" that's as weak as yesterday you little cancer cell. You have no
logical answer for your decision. I'm not wasting anymore time with you. Stoney you just keep on :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: NEXT
 
[quote author=18Wheeler link=topic=80004.msg830331#msg830331 date=1274031557]
Stoney why is it your only defense is "You can't read" that's as weak as yesterday you little cancer cell. You have no
logical answer for your decision. I'm not wasting anymore time with you. Stoney you just keep on :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: :buttkisser: NEXT
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Because you guys aren't reading my reason for voting yes. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ABF'S REASONS!!!!! I MADE MY CHOICE BECAUSE OF WHERE I BELIEVE THE ECONOMY IS HEADING!!!!! READ MY POSTS AGAIN!!!!!!!

And by the, I could care less about the Teamsters anymore. They lost me when they back Obama, of Hoffa Jr showed just how socialist he and the Teamsters really are. The Teamsters and other unions are not they used to be as far as principle and morals. They have none anymore.
 
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Stoney I respect your vote, everyone has to do what is best for them and their family. My question is what is ABF motivation to call anyone back to work. With the 20% call back leading to a snapback in wages do you think ABF will call anyone back. They will do all they can with what they have now, do as much as you can with as little as you can. I am working 60 plus hours a week, not by choice but because we can't get the work done. We are getting more inside and turnkey deliveries than ever. The TM will not put guys back to work now. I am willing to bet if the concessions pass, he will not no time soon. I would rather work 40 or so and let the other guys with families make a living also. PS I can live without the extra 15% of pay easy but what about the people who can't. If you don't like what someone has to say attack the post not the person, we can all agree to disagree.
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Well you may have more work than you handle where your at. I have no reason not to believe that. But in my area, we're still pretty slow. Most of the Terminals I drive to are way under on the bill count they would like to be at.

And again, my reasoning for voting yes was because of where I see the economy heading. I only judge on whats before me, trends of the markets and what I can gather from many different sources from the news, yes talking heads, and economists. I don't go on conspiracy theories like most here is doing.
 
Like I said I can respect your vote, everyone has to do what is best for them. I just didn't see it your way. The company is doing things they never did before. Running a set with 5 bills and a empty from 04 to us. They would have never done this before. They would have held the freight another day to fill the trailer before closing it out.. Letting a line driver sit 24 hours in a hotel while bring another one in from somewhere else to take the outbound. Running a line driver from another terminal with empties and sending him to the hotel, and he comes back 12 hours later to leave with the same set of empties. Until late in 2009 ABF did not operate like this until they started talking to the Union.
 
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Like I said I can respect your vote, everyone has to do what is best for them. I just didn't see it your way. The company is doing things they never did before. Running a set with 5 bills and a empty from 04 to us. They would have never done this before. They would have held the freight another day to fill the trailer before closing it out.. Letting a line driver sit 24 hours in a hotel while bring another one in from somewhere else to take the outbound. Running a line driver from another terminal with empties and sending him to the hotel, and he comes back 12 hours later to leave with the same set of empties. Until late in 2009 ABF did not operate like this until they started talking to the Union.
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Well said Truxforever! Thank You! And they have been doing that system wide since around Oct.2009 not to mention working overtime on the docks when there was little freight to be worked and not offering CC when there wasn't enough freight for all the men on the dock to keep busy.They have been just throwing money away since late last year and it's been so obvious that I can't believe that some couldn't see what they were doing.Even worse than at contract time!
 
Stoney, don't let em get you down. I'm with you, I took my yes to the post office today.
 
JustAWorkingMan this is just some of the things going on. When you think about everything on Nov 18 2009 the IBT said no talks were happening Tyson J. himself. ABF would not open the books at that time, Now all of a sudden the sky is falling. In one of the last quaters of last year they purchased a small 3rd party log company, that money was part of the lost for that quarter. Anybody know the price of that company and how much of this was included in the lost for that quarter. ABF is still buying new equipment by the hundreds trucks, trailers and gears,why not scale down the size of the order or push it back for later in the year. There are other ways to save cash right now in a down economy. The company has done everything it wanted to do, even starting Moving Solutions which all took cash to do. Now the sky is falling brings to mind the story of chicken little.
 
vwaggs you are right, I can respect a yes vote, just like a no vote. 3 years is a long time to give away wages, no one knows the future. The same people who voted yes will have a fit if ABF is making money next quarter and we will be locked in until April 2011. One year to get 5% back.
 
[quote author=Truxforever link=topic=80004.msg830419#msg830419 date=1274052469]
vwaggs you are right, I can respect a yes vote, just like a no vote. 3 years is a long time to give away wages, no one knows the future. The same people who voted yes will have a fit if ABF is making money next quarter and we will be locked in until April 2011. One year to get 5% back.
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Truxforever, we won't even get the 5% back in April 2011,we already had a bad quarter this year. So at the very best,we're looking at getting 5% back in April,2012!!!!
 
[quote author=aerobatt link=topic=80004.msg830411#msg830411 date=1274050915]
Stoney, don't let em get you down. I'm with you, I took my yes to the post office today.
[/quote]Are we supposed to be surprised? You should of been asking yourself this question. Who's driving the trucks and working the docks, ABF management, the union, or you? I don't remember seeing or hearing any of the drivers or dock workers making six figures or greater, and only working 40 hrs a week to gross that sort of income per year.

If people want to give money back to the company, why work for a union company then? I am sure there plenty of non-union trucking outfits that have starting salaries of $11.50 an hour, if people like to volunteer to give money back so easily. Does this more work for a lesser pay give people a high, like a drug?

Just because the Teamsters from ABF drive green trucks, doesn't mean the have to work the wages of someone having a green-card, neither.
 
[quote author=Truxforever link=topic=80004.msg830316#msg830316 date=1274027326]
Stoney I respect your vote, everyone has to do what is best for them and their family. My question is what is ABF motivation to call anyone back to work. With the 20% call back leading to a snapback in wages do you think ABF will call anyone back. They will do all they can with what they have now, do as much as you can with as little as you can. I am working 60 plus hours a week, not by choice but because we can't get the work done. We are getting more inside and turnkey deliveries than ever. The TM will not put guys back to work now. I am willing to bet if the concessions pass, he will not no time soon. I would rather work 40 or so and let the other guys with families make a living also. PS I can live without the extra 15% of pay easy but what about the people who can't. If you don't like what someone has to say attack the post not the person, we can all agree to disagree.
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Just a note. On the infosquaretable they posted that only 15% of the work force is on layoff so how does the 20% come into play for snapbacks. That means they would have to recall everyone and hire 5% more. Smoke and mirrors.
 
Truxforever,I just wonder on how many of those that voted yes on this actually realize that the maximum that we could get back for the remaining three years is 5%!!!! That in itself is ludicrous! And we all know that we won't even get that because all ABF has to do is show a loss in one quarter next year,which we all know that they can do that very easily.
 
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