Pension? Bongee scheme if under 50. Numbers don't add up. My uncle had retired and dad a year away when CF closed shop. Not pretty when pension comes up short. Received average of $8,000 profit sharing yearly into 401k besides regular match. I HAVE control of MY RETIREMENT. Not some pension stealing union boss. Was all that money recovered for the 70's-80's, guess not. Hourly wage. If both work 50hrs. ABF pays approx. $15 more. Hourly wage is approx. $2 per hour more at OD. Medical benefits are very great at ABF, until next contract, seen what has been happening to other unions due to union supported Obamacare. Remember waivers expire. Heck, every outfit without a crony/communist support waiver might just ditch insurance all together and pay penalty. Just rather be with outfit on way up, then treading water or in reduction mode. ABF was great when I pulled for them in early 90's, union sucked, yet never was one to work at minimum output or do the least amount to get by. Actually I was laid off in 09, when myself and others came back/rehired, got full rate and benefits. Just new hired on date. So get the facts straight if making comment. Only if employee leaves and later chooses to rehire is started out as a new hire. 2 weeks vac after 1 year, 3 weeks after 5, plus personal days that start at 2 after 1st year. Actually make more on a Vac/Personal or holiday than regular run. Way it's figured. Everyone makes choices on beliefs and opportunity, long as choice is available, all is good. Those afraid of choice or able to stepping up to be best, get upset. Do understand that, just sad.
Pension? Bongee scheme if under 50. Numbers don't add up. My uncle had retired and dad a year away when CF closed shop. Not pretty when pension comes up short. Received average of $8,000 profit sharing yearly into 401k besides regular match. I HAVE control of MY RETIREMENT. Not some pension stealing union boss. Was all that money recovered for the 70's-80's, guess not. Hourly wage. If both work 50hrs. ABF pays approx. $15 more. Hourly wage is approx. $2 per hour more at OD. Medical benefits are very great at ABF, until next contract, seen what has been happening to other unions due to union supported Obamacare. Remember waivers expire. Heck, every outfit without a crony/communist support waiver might just ditch insurance all together and pay penalty. Just rather be with outfit on way up, then treading water or in reduction mode. ABF was great when I pulled for them in early 90's, union sucked, yet never was one to work at minimum output or do the least amount to get by. Actually I was laid off in 09, when myself and others came back/rehired, got full rate and benefits. Just new hired on date. So get the facts straight if making comment. Only if employee leaves and later chooses to rehire is started out as a new hire. 2 weeks vac after 1 year, 3 weeks after 5, plus personal days that start at 2 after 1st year. Actually make more on a Vac/Personal or holiday than regular run. Way it's figured. Everyone makes choices on beliefs and opportunity, long as choice is available, all is good. Those afraid of choice or able to stepping up to be best, get upset. Do understand that, just sad.
If so I'm interested in what facts you have to dispute my comments? Your being recalled after layoff has nothing to do with those employees economically terminated and riffed. Are you claiming as fact that in the OD system economic terminations or rifs are not used without regard to seniority? ? Are you claiming that those rehired didn't have to start over as new employees at entry level rates?So get the facts straight if making comment
Pension? Bongee scheme if under 50
Not some pension stealing union boss
http://prod-admin1.tmg.atex.cniweb.net:8080/preview/www/2.1042/2.1048/1.102006Old Dominion Vice President of Safety and Personnel Brian Stoddard testified that it was standard operating procedure to use “full-time seniority dates in making decisions of job elimination and economic cutbacks.” Terminating the employee with the least full-time experience, however, was not a written policy and even if this verbal policy was sufficient to establish a bona fide layoff system, the Kersten court found that Old Dominion presented no evidence of a recall system.
In what appeared to be the most damaging testimony, Stoddard said that “if a job cut had to be done, we terminate. We don’t lay off. We don’t leave that possibility that they may come back. They’re terminated.
Well, I was a rehire after 09 slow down. 4 months off. Basically it was lowest seniority at location. Wild/Extra drivers. Not by company or region. Majority was at outer locations. Most hubs not effected, except for change of run assignments. Had been with OD 3 years at layoff. Next senior driver not layed off had 5+ years. When brought back had to go through full rehire procedure. Was known that would operate out of a hub location. Offered and accepted a hub location, yet right away offered position at numerous locations ounce word got out that I was back. Not a bitcher or moaner, Was given seniority back, yet as all transfers, was placed at bottom at new location. Didn't matter since I stayed wild/systems driver. Scheduled run was not my thing. Got top pay and insurance from day 1, had to start over on vacation/personal days from Date of rehire. After 2 years was asked to transfer to my location now, original layoff location. I run a schedule now. Been driving 27 years, 3.5 million accident free. Pulled about every form of trailer. Been independent, union (ABF), and O/O. Best job I have ever had. I do my job, don't get hassled. Every driver would like a few changes, yet get treated better here, than I could treat myself when I operated my own. See how the company treats a long term ill driver or a family emergency. Ownership does care about the individual in a crisis.
I do like to know what goes on at other companies and I am not an ABF cheerleader however, I do like to have facts and figures to help me see the differences. For starters at ABF we have no health care premium copays and I would like to know what an ODFL worker ponies up on a weekly basis. Divide that number by 40 and you can reduce your hourly pay by that amount. If ODFL pays $2/hr more that comes to $80 per week more on a 40 hour week. 10 hours of OT would net an ABF worker about $90 more than his straight time counterpart at ODFL so you're pretty close on that. $8000 per year in profit sharing + matching 401K? Not bad. Do all drivers qualify for that?Pension? Bongee scheme if under 50. Numbers don't add up. My uncle had retired and dad a year away when CF closed shop. Not pretty when pension comes up short. Received average of $8,000 profit sharing yearly into 401k besides regular match. I HAVE control of MY RETIREMENT. Not some pension stealing union boss. Was all that money recovered for the 70's-80's, guess not. Hourly wage. If both work 50hrs. ABF pays approx. $15 more. Hourly wage is approx. $2 per hour more at OD. Medical benefits are very great at ABF, until next contract, seen what has been happening to other unions due to union supported Obamacare. Remember waivers expire. Heck, every outfit without a crony/communist support waiver might just ditch insurance all together and pay penalty. Just rather be with outfit on way up, then treading water or in reduction mode. ABF was great when I pulled for them in early 90's, union sucked, yet never was one to work at minimum output or do the least amount to get by. Actually I was laid off in 09, when myself and others came back/rehired, got full rate and benefits. Just new hired on date. So get the facts straight if making comment. Only if employee leaves and later chooses to rehire is started out as a new hire. 2 weeks vac after 1 year, 3 weeks after 5, plus personal days that start at 2 after 1st year. Actually make more on a Vac/Personal or holiday than regular run. Way it's figured. Everyone makes choices on beliefs and opportunity, long as choice is available, all is good. Those afraid of choice or able to stepping up to be best, get upset. Do understand that, just sad.
Ignorance is bliss. Thats why OD drivers are so blissful
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This thread was started on the ABF forum with a simple question. "Why would they do such a thing"? My guess would be that bknodfl is asking for opinions from ABF and pro union posters or else he would have started the thread on the ODFL forum. But over there outside opinions are not welcome and we are attacked and chased off.over the last couple of weeks we lost drivers to abf…why would they do such a thing
What did OD ever do to you man? Yeesh. You dont like the company fine, but to unjustifiably bash them in every forum/post? So they dont pay OT, the drivers who choose to work under those conditions, that it their prerogative. You choose the work for Holland, roger that.
If ODFL pays $2/hr more that comes to $80 per week more on a 40 hour week. 10 hours of OT would net an ABF worker about $90 more than his straight time counterpart at ODFL so you're pretty close on that.