Yellow | UPS’s Union Rejects Labor Contract, Raising Risk of Strike

True they get 90% BUT the company doesn't pay the whole amount, they pick up the difference between what unemployment pays to make a total of 90%
Your buddy buffalo bill lamented the fact that the big three made crappy cars. UAW work rules already padded the pay roll. The Jobs Bank was an obscene theft. The reason The Big Three make crappy cars, R + d budgets squeezed by crooked union pay roll padding.
 
Your buddy buffalo bill lamented the fact that the big three made crappy cars. UAW work rules already padded the pay roll. The Jobs Bank was an obscene theft. The reason The Big Three make crappy cars, R + d budgets squeezed by crooked union pay roll padding.

not true at all. jobs bank was proposed by gm as a showing of good faith that gm wouldnt have any mass layoffs. if you dont like it, feel free to invent a time machine, travel back, and warn gm about their bad idea.

the big 3 had no problem making good cars until the epa stepped on their throat. think it was hard to sell 440 roadrunners, ls6 chevelles, and 396 nova's? now imagine your a car salesman 5 years later, peddling vega's and 150 hp camaros. why not go for the honda, if you want to drive a :shit:box, at least buy a reliable one!
 
Here is an interesting take from 2013:


The Unions Didn't Bankrupt Detroit, But Great American Cars Did

Figure American carmakers are best at producing muscular, noisy, gas guzzling rides (think GM’s Suburban, Cadillac and Corvette, Ford’s Bronco and Lincoln lines), but with President Nixon’s mistaken decision (one oddly encouraged by American carmakers) to delink the dollar from gold in 1971, the demise of the Big Three began with great speed.


That was the case because a fiat dollar in the ‘70s coincided with a weak dollar, oil is priced in the latter, and with the dollar in freefall, gasoline prices naturally soared.



Unions can be blamed, and no doubt the $1,500 per car cost of union labor will be trotted out a great deal in the coming weeks, but the facts are that unions or no unions, mid-range cars are yesterday’s innovation.


Precisely because they’re yesterday’s innovation the profits in the space aren’t sufficient to attract talent or investment. If anyone can produce reliable cars, why be in the business? No doubt Americans could if they chose to manufacture great tube socks, toothpicks and paperclips, but why produce what anyone can? If anyone can produce something, the margins are naturally going to be small. Cars today fall into the ‘anyone can produce them’ category, and the fact that they do explains Detroit’s demise more than anything else.

 
not true at all. jobs bank was proposed by gm as a showing of good faith that gm wouldnt have any mass layoffs. if you dont like it, feel free to invent a time machine, travel back, and warn gm about their bad idea.

the big 3 had no problem making good cars until the epa stepped on their throat. think it was hard to sell 440 roadrunners, ls6 chevelles, and 396 nova's? now imagine your a car salesman 5 years later, peddling vega's and 150 hp camaros. why not go for the honda, if you want to drive a :shit:box, at least buy a reliable one!
Here is an interesting take from 2013:


The Unions Didn't Bankrupt Detroit, But Great American Cars Did

Figure American carmakers are best at producing muscular, noisy, gas guzzling rides (think GM’s Suburban, Cadillac and Corvette, Ford’s Bronco and Lincoln lines), but with President Nixon’s mistaken decision (one oddly encouraged by American carmakers) to delink the dollar from gold in 1971, the demise of the Big Three began with great speed.


That was the case because a fiat dollar in the ‘70s coincided with a weak dollar, oil is priced in the latter, and with the dollar in freefall, gasoline prices naturally soared.



Unions can be blamed, and no doubt the $1,500 per car cost of union labor will be trotted out a great deal in the coming weeks, but the facts are that unions or no unions, mid-range cars are yesterday’s innovation.


Precisely because they’re yesterday’s innovation the profits in the space aren’t sufficient to attract talent or investment. If anyone can produce reliable cars, why be in the business? No doubt Americans could if they chose to manufacture great tube socks, toothpicks and paperclips, but why produce what anyone can? If anyone can produce something, the margins are naturally going to be small. Cars today fall into the ‘anyone can produce them’ category, and the fact that they do explains Detroit’s demise more than anything else.

Bill,511 the Arab oil embargo made all those wonderful cars you mention, very undesirable to own. When the big three needed to shed production capacity to control cost. The UAW foisted the "JOBS BANK" on them. Further draining resources, needed to design desirable small cars.
 
The end of the Jobs Bank, a symbol of excess

The Jobs Bank actually was an idea proposed by GM to the UAW during contract talks. GM officials believed it would never even be necessary because the company expected to fully use its production capacity, former executive Bob Lutz wrote in his book Car Guys vs. Bean Counters.

Unraveling The UAW Job Bank

According to that document, the basic guarantee from the 1987 agreement is that no eligible employee will be laid off over the term of the agreement, except under the following specific circumstances. 1)Reduced customer demand, a maximum of 42 weeks over the life of the agreement (commonly known as loss of marketshare); 2)Acts of God or other conditions beyond the control of management; 3)Conclusion of an assignment known in advance to be temporary; and 4) Plant rearrangement or model changeover.
Eligible employees can not be laid off because of new technology (robots), sourcing decisions, or company-implimented efficiency actions. There are generally three states of layoff: temporary layoffs where workers know their return date, indefinite layoffs where workers get 48 weeks of unemployment benefits and a supplemental from their employer equal to 100 percent of your salary. After 48 weeks workers are reemployed by the Job Bank, at which time they receive 95 percent of their salary. They don’t get seniority, but they do continue to receive health benefits. While in protected status, employees may be assigned to training programs, certain non-traditional jobs, openings at other UAW locations (they only have to accept them if the job is within 100 miles of their home, otherwise they can stay in job banks), and other assignments “consistent with the intent of the program.”
 
Bill,511 the Arab oil embargo made all those wonderful cars you mention, very undesirable to own. When the big three needed to shed production capacity to control cost. The UAW foisted the "JOBS BANK" on them. Further draining resources, needed to design desirable small cars.


oil embargo had nothing to do with it, look around, giant pickup trucks are the most popular vehicle around. the epa stepped on automakers well before the oil embargo.
 
not true at all. jobs bank was proposed by gm as a showing of good faith that gm wouldnt have any mass layoffs. if you dont like it, feel free to invent a time machine, travel back, and warn gm about their bad idea.

the big 3 had no problem making good cars until the epa stepped on their throat. think it was hard to sell 440 roadrunners, ls6 chevelles, and 396 nova's? now imagine your a car salesman 5 years later, peddling vega's and 150 hp camaros. why not go for the honda, if you want to drive a :shit:box, at least buy a reliable one!
The end of the Jobs Bank, a symbol of excess

The Jobs Bank actually was an idea proposed by GM to the UAW during contract talks. GM officials believed it would never even be necessary because the company expected to fully use its production capacity, former executive Bob Lutz wrote in his book Car Guys vs. Bean Counters.

Unraveling The UAW Job Bank

According to that document, the basic guarantee from the 1987 agreement is that no eligible employee will be laid off over the term of the agreement, except under the following specific circumstances. 1)Reduced customer demand, a maximum of 42 weeks over the life of the agreement (commonly known as loss of marketshare); 2)Acts of God or other conditions beyond the control of management; 3)Conclusion of an assignment known in advance to be temporary; and 4) Plant rearrangement or model changeover.
Eligible employees can not be laid off because of new technology (robots), sourcing decisions, or company-implimented efficiency actions. There are generally three states of layoff: temporary layoffs where workers know their return date, indefinite layoffs where workers get 48 weeks of unemployment benefits and a supplemental from their employer equal to 100 percent of your salary. After 48 weeks workers are reemployed by the Job Bank, at which time they receive 95 percent of their salary. They don’t get seniority, but they do continue to receive health benefits. While in protected status, employees may be assigned to training programs, certain non-traditional jobs, openings at other UAW locations (they only have to accept them if the job is within 100 miles of their home, otherwise they can stay in job banks), and other assignments “consistent with the intent of the program.”
oil embargo had nothing to do with it, look around, giant pickup trucks are the most popular vehicle around. the epa stepped on automakers well before the oil embargo.[/QUOTE

Bill, 511 I hope y'all just foolin aroun with me. If your not, you're just plain stupid. Or your schilling for someone.
 
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Does this offend you Bubba?
 
Monkey Man, does this mean you and your partner Buffalo Bill have come out of the closet. That certainly is a colorful picture of yourself, I expected you to have a much more sloping forehead.


by your know it all opinions, i would imagine you'd come up with insults alot faster. at least you finally gave up your losing argument and got emotional, like you used to do with muler....
 
like i said, what you dont know could fill a warehouse.
by your know it all opinions, i would imagine you'd come up with insults alot faster. at least you finally gave up your losing argument and got emotional, like you used to do with muler....
Bill, did all of your disingenuous post, bring back the 500,000 UAW members who no longer work for GM? Bill you've been outed, you're a shill, and Monkey Man's; man.
 
Bill, did all of your disingenuous post, bring back the 500,000 UAW members who no longer work for GM? Bill you've been outed, you're a shill, and Monkey Man's; man.


you're sort of simple, aren't you? when your emotions and feelings get overridden by facts, you lash out like a child? what next you going to blame sears bankruptcy on their overpaid workers?
 
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