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radman said:
In what ways does the Federal government infringe on the rights of the states?
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Well California passed a law legalizing a medical product and the Fed's don't agree with them and mess with them all the time, and Arizona passed a law about immagration and the Feds don't like that and are trying to stop it, and if a state doesn't do what the Feds tell them they will withhold money that is sussposed to go to them. That's called Blackmail in my book. I agree with ncydude on this point all the way, the federal goverment should let states pass what laws they want, if you don't like them there are 49 more states you can move to.....that's my opinion, but I agree with you Radman most of the time and I know your just asking a question..........:coffee1:....But on the other hand these guy's that want goverment completley out of there lives, does that mean we should legalize prostition, drugs, gambling everywhere? Sometimes the same people that want goverment out of their lives, are the exact same people that insist goverment get into peoples lives if it's something THEY disagree with......:coffee1:
 
Jayman said:
Well California passed a law legalizing a medical product and the Fed's don't agree with them and mess with them all the time, and Arizona passed a law about immagration and the Feds don't like that and are trying to stop it, and if a state doesn't do what the Feds tell them they will withhold money that is sussposed to go to them. That's called Blackmail in my book. I agree with ncydude on this point all the way, the federal goverment should let states pass what laws they want, if you don't like them there are 49 more states you can move to.....that's my opinion, but I agree with you Radman most of the time and I know your just asking a question..........:coffee1:....But on the other hand these guy's that want goverment completley out of there lives, does that mean we should legalize prostition, drugs, gambling everywhere? Sometimes the same people that want goverment out of their lives, are the exact same people that insist goverment get into peoples lives if it's something THEY disagree with......:coffee1:
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A state law cannot override a Federal law, that is in the Constitution. If a state has a law that the Federal government says it cannot, say the legalization of marijuana, the state has every right to take the Federal government to court. Only the courts can decide what is constitutional in this country and everyone can have there day in court. Thats in the Constitution as well. Our government is divided, Congress passes the law, the President enforces the laws, and the Supreme Court decides if a law is constitutional. There are different opinions about what is right and wrong, about the direction the country should go in, and who should lead this couuntry. The Constitution guarantees the process of answering what we will do as a country.
 
just thinking out loud, what if we let states make there own laws and people could move to the state they liked the laws in, instead of one size fits all?
 
Jayman said:
just thinking out loud, what if we let states make there own laws and people could move to the state they liked the laws in, instead of one size fits all?
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Some states tried that in 1860 and 5 years later,over 600,000 Americans were dead.
 
radman said:
Some states tried that in 1860 and 5 years later,over 600,000 Americans were dead.
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All states did that and old dirty abe and his washington cronies helped create our central disfunctional corrupt central government they killed all those people to take away states rights and tried to make it seem noble by using slavery as an excuse lincoln = satan
 
bottomfdrking said:
All states did that and old dirty abe and his washington cronies helped create our central disfunctional corrupt central government they killed all those people to take away states rights and tried to make it seem noble by using slavery as an excuse lincoln = satan
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I wouldn't go that far as to use the word satan, but they insisted on a centralized goverment, and the south disagreed. That disagrement changed this nation for ever. If the south would have one, slavery still would have went away. It would have took longer, but it would have been phased out I think....:coffee1:
 
bottomfdrking said:
All states did that and old dirty abe and his washington cronies helped create our central disfunctional corrupt central government they killed all those people to take away states rights and tried to make it seem noble by using slavery as an excuse lincoln = satan
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All states DID NOT do that and making Lincoln "the greatest President this country ever had after Washington and also the first Republican" out to be Satan is so wrong on so many levels that I can't even begin to describe it. If you know your history "which you OBVIOUSLY DON'T" then you would know that the Confederacy started the war and the Union ended it. To take one of your favorite lines, "you make me sick."
 
radman said:
I believe that we cannot as a country literally interpret the Constitution. Times change, people change, cultures change. Our interpretation of what the Constitution says will change as well. The America we live in today would be unrecognizable to the people who founded it. Our founding fathers were very wise, they created a system of government that was capable of changing with the times and the Constitution is the blue print for that change.The type of change will be determined by who wins elections.
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Radman, I cannot agree with anything you said, but I feel no matter what I say, I won't be able to change your mind. I can only hope after Barack Obama is defeated, that our new Republican president and new Republican congress will move forward with an agenda to move our country closer to the original intent of the founders and further away from this so called progress that many have been fooled into thinking is better.
 
radman said:
In what ways does the Federal government infringe on the rights of the states?
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The Federal Govt taxes private sector revenue from all sources, such that when states and counties need money for local projects like schools, roads, and public services, they have to ask the federal government for monetary assistance. The federal government then gives back a portion of what it took, but with conditions. The states have to agree to the conditions or they do not get the money they need. A good example is highway money relatative to seat belt law. There is no federal seatbelt law, but because the states are mostly broke and want to build new roads, they need to come to the fed. If they want to keep those highway funds flowing, the have to have a mandatory seatbelt law in force or the fed cuts them off.....quite frankly, IMO, that Bullshceeet! Wait and see what the fed pulls next regarding highway funds. You think this ban on cell phones is going to stop with CMV's? It won't.

Again, there is no federal regulatory agency governing the behavior of individuals driving their personally owned vehicles, but the fed can get people to stop using handsets while driving if they decide to. All they have to do is pass a law that says if any state wants to be eligible to receive all available highway funds due that state, that it must have a law in force banning the use of handheld cell phones in cars by a certain date. Any state failing to pass such a law will recieve reduced or no highway funds. You want another example....."No Child Left Behind"

The federal govt requires that kids meet certain minimum standards in math and science in the public schools. If the states want money for education, they have to comply with these standards or guess what......that's right, they get cut off. See what I'm saying? There are examples of this kind of excessive federal government control all around us and IMO, it's simply unacceptable. The states in large part can govern themselves, the founders knew that, the country knew it, and that's why they wouldn't ratify the new Constitution until the tenth amendment was included in the original bill of rights. Money is power and right now, the federal government has too much of it and we the people have too little. Do you get it now?
 
Jayman said:
I wouldn't go that far as to use the word satan, but they insisted on a centralized goverment, and the south disagreed. That disagrement changed this nation for ever. If the south would have one, slavery still would have went away. It would have took longer, but it would have been phased out I think....:coffee1:
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That's simply not true, we had a centralized government before the Civil War. We had a single currency and nationally funded army and a constitution that was the law of the land for all the states, including the south. What the southern states wanted was not simply to keep their slaves, they wanted to form a new nation, call it the Confederate States of America and share the North American Continent with the Union.
 
bottomfdrking said:
All states did that and old dirty abe and his washington cronies helped create our central disfunctional corrupt central government they killed all those people to take away states rights and tried to make it seem noble by using slavery as an excuse lincoln = satan
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You truly are a bottom feeder
 
ldgarrit said:
That's simply not true, we had a centralized government before the Civil War. We had a single currency and nationally funded army and a constitution that was the law of the land for all the states, including the south. What the southern states wanted was not simply to keep their slaves, they wanted to form a new nation, call it the Confederate States of America and share the North American Continent with the Union.
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Yea, I know we had a centralized goverment before the cival war, and the south wanted out because they didn't like being told what to do. That's why they were called the rebel's. When negotiations finally broke down, they wanted to form a new nation and call it Confederate States of America. The North's first choice of a general to lead the union army was General Lee, but his roots were in the south and he chose to lead the rebel's. At the beginning of the war the south was kicking the norths a$$, in almost every battle.
 
bottomfdrking said:
All states did that and old dirty abe and his washington cronies helped create our central disfunctional corrupt central government they killed all those people to take away states rights and tried to make it seem noble by using slavery as an excuse lincoln = satan
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I don't feel like satan
but I am to them
so I'll try to forget it
anyway I can

keep on rocking in the free world
 
mustache said:
Labor Notes: Thousands Rally Against Indiana
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A quote taken from the above mentioned article
Democrats have signaled their intent to stay away from House sessions until they can offer an amendment that would put the Republicans’ anti-union bill to a statewide referendum of voters. Republicans have the votes to pass the measure in the legislature.
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The Dems do not have the majority, yet they want to act as though they do. This is typical left wing thinking in that "the ends always justify the means", even if it means shutting down a lawful legislative process and acting against the will of the majority. I say fine the scheet out of the rogue dems, politicize what they're doing and hope less of them of get re-elected in November. Let the will of the people be done, regardless of the personal opinions of the disgruntled minority.
 
The problem we're facing here is that we have an administration, a judicial system, and members of congress acting completely outside the boundaries of the Constitution. Those illegal appointments Obama made while congress was still in session was upheld by a federal court, so they stick. Doesn't change the fact that what he did was illegal and he should be impeached and held responsible for his actions. Congress as a whole has been acting outside the Constitution for years, slowly taking powers not enumerated to it on. The problem is, they change things so slowly, no one notices until it's too late.
 
it's not illegal. it's A recess appointment ,The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the senate.
nncnwydude said:
The problem we're facing here is that we have an administration, a judicial system, and members of congress acting completely outside the boundaries of the Constitution. Those illegal appointments Obama made while congress was still in session was upheld by a federal court, so they stick. Doesn't change the fact that what he did was illegal and he should be impeached and held responsible for his actions. Congress as a whole has been acting outside the Constitution for years, slowly taking powers not enumerated to it on. The problem is, they change things so slowly, no one notices until it's too late.
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