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Deregulation was the correct thing to do in both trucking and air travel. What is wrong with competition? Competition and capitalism have made this the greatest economy ever known.
I strongly disagree with you on this topic. Deregulation of the trucking industry was the kiss of death for the Unionized trucking industry (NMFA). It made an unfair playing field for the companies that were already in business before deregulation.
 
People on this board cannot defend regulated industry and speak against socialism. Regulation is socialism. Government setting prices and limiting entry into markets is socialism.
And yet I am sure that you gladly accept your "SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK" and depend on it as part of your retirement. So I would suggest that you should not point fingers at others about socialism as you yourself have accepted it if you draw a Social Security check.
 
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What part of different transit times is so hard for you to figure out?
Who said anything about transit times, if you want to talk about that I'm assuming most companies have about the same transit times. The 3 companies I worked for had from next day to 5 day for coast to coast, doesn't ABF do the same?
 
Who said anything about transit times, if you want to talk about that I'm assuming most companies have about the same transit times. The 3 companies I worked for had from next day to 5 day for coast to coast, doesn't ABF do the same?
You lose 2 days on your long haul freight, instead of Monday it gets there Wednesday....
 
You lose 2 days on your long haul freight, instead of Monday it gets there Wednesday....
So are you saying that ABF does coast to coast in 3 days, if so that's impressive, anyway this thread isn't about transit times if guys there are happy with a 7 day a week operation then don't try to get it changed in the next contract.
 
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So are you saying that ABF does coast to coast in 3 days, if so that's impressive, anyway this thread isn't about transit times if guys there are happy with a 7 day a week operation then don't try to get it changed in the next contract.
You are right this thread isn't about that.....I gave a good explanation...... I thought....but you chose to disregard it....let's get back on topic....
 
I remember when I worked for Con-Way that there were doors at the break with 53' otr carriers in them....going to various long distant points... at ABF that freight is either handled with our own road drivers or put on a rail...and before you ask, yes I'm sure some of it goes on shiny wheels.....Con-Way's line haul is like our utility drivers..... leave... go to break....work freight....come back....our line haul handles the more longer distance freight...
That’s exactly what I did when I worked the UE. Left my terminal, arrived at the breakbulk, spent a few hours working the dock, then hooked my set and headed home. Occasionally, I had to deliver a few city stops before I clocked out.
 
100,000 million is 100 billion, so I assume we are talking 100 million. With 13,000 employees, that is $148 a week for each employee.
If that 100 million is based on operating ratio, that is before taxes, before they replace a single fork lift and before the owners (shareholders) are paid a dividend on their investment.

I'm back to edit. Checkout Yahoo Finance for ArcBest. Net income for 2020 was 71 million. That changes the numbers to $105 per week for each employee.
 
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100,000 million is 100 billion, so I assume we are talking 100 million. With 13,000 employees, that is $148 a week for each employee.
If that 100 million is based on operating ratio, that is before taxes, before they replace a single fork lift and before the owners (shareholders) are paid a dividend on their investment.

I'm back to edit. Checkout Yahoo Finance for ArcBest. Net income for 2020 was 71 million. That changes the numbers to $105 per week for each employee.
Your employee numbers are extremely inflated there Razorblade. He said "to attract more drivers". I am not sure how many drivers (road and city) that ABF has, but my guess would be somewhere around the 5000 to 6,000 range. Also, with more drivers hired, there would be less chance of drivers reaching the tenth hour to trigger the double-time pay. And, rug runner is correct in saying that the price to out source to outside contractors is more expensive than using our drivers. So, in the end, his idea of double-time after 10 hours would probably save the company money and attract more drivers.
 
Your employee numbers are extremely inflated there Razorblade. He said "to attract more drivers". I am not sure how many drivers (road and city) that ABF has, but my guess would be somewhere around the 5000 to 6,000 range. Also, with more drivers hired, there would be less chance of drivers reaching the tenth hour to trigger the double-time pay. And, rug runner is correct in saying that the price to out source to outside contractors is more expensive than using our drivers. So, in the end, his idea of double-time after 10 hours would probably save the company money and attract more drivers.

The numbers come from ArcBest filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. I readily admit that I don't know what ArcBest includes other than ABF. 13,000 is the number of employees receiving a paycheck not just drivers. Rugrunner used the 100 million profit number and the ArcBest filings say 98 million.
 
The numbers come from ArcBest filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. I readily admit that I don't know what ArcBest includes other than ABF. 13,000 is the number of employees receiving a paycheck not just drivers. Rugrunner used the 100 million profit number and the ArcBest filings say 98 million.
The 98 million is correct. Over the last three years the profit was a little over 300 million, so that would average out to a little over 100 million a year for the last three years. And, the 13,000 number is probably correct as well (ABF as well as the other companies under the ArcBest flag), but rug runner was specific when he said "attract more drivers".
 
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