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Steward of the Rock said:
And yet I am sure that you gladly accept your "SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK" and depend on it as part of your retirement. So I would suggest that you should not point fingers at others about socialism as you yourself have accepted it if you draw a Social Security check.
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Indeed, I gladly accept my monthly Social Security check. Not a single taxpayer dollar goes to Social Security. FICA is the Federal Insurance Contribution Act. My Social Security Check is an annuity, no different than an insurance annuity from State Farm, paid for by premiums deducted from my paycheck and matched by my employers.

However, Medicare is different. Medicare is welfare for old people. Only Part A, in patient hospital care is fully funded by employee/employer contributions. Part B is 70% funded from general revenue. Part D is fully funded from taxpayer dollars.
 
Razorblade said:
Indeed, I gladly accept my monthly Social Security check. Not a single taxpayer dollar goes to Social Security. FICA is the Federal Insurance Contribution Act. My Social Security Check is an annuity, no different than an insurance annuity from State Farm, paid for by premiums deducted from my paycheck and matched by my employers.

However, Medicare is different. Medicare is welfare for old people. Only Part A, in patient hospital care is fully funded by employee/employer contributions. Part B is 70% funded from general revenue. Part D is fully funded from taxpayer dollar
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It is still a government program funded by using tax dollars. Therefore, it is a form of socialism whether you care to admit it or not.
 
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Steward of the Rock said:
Your employee numbers are extremely inflated there Razorblade. He said "to attract more drivers". I am not sure how many drivers (road and city) that ABF has, but my guess would be somewhere around the 5000 to 6,000 range. Also, with more drivers hired, there would be less chance of drivers reaching the tenth hour to trigger the double-time pay. And, rug runner is correct in saying that the price to out source to outside contractors is more expensive than using our drivers. So, in the end, his idea of double-time after 10 hours would probably save the company money and attract more drivers.
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That's the first time I've heard a outside carrier is more expensive then a ltl doing it themselves, usually the reason a ltl company uses purchased transportation is because they're cheaper. So a union carrier that pays into a pension and has free healthcare can haul your own freight cheaper then a company they hire which I doubt pays those benefits and probably a lower wage also.
 
Steward of the Rock said:
The 98 million is correct. Over the last three years the profit was a little over 300 million, so that would average out to a little over 100 million a year for the last three years. And, the 13,000 number is probably correct as well (ABF as well as the other companies under the ArcBest flag), but rug runner was specific when he said "attract more drivers".
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Purchase transportation is normally used to balance lanes, just because the have crappy pay and benefits doesn't mean the company isn't charging an arm and a leg.
 
Turn the Page said:
That's the first time I've heard a outside carrier is more expensive then a ltl doing it themselves, usually the reason a ltl company uses purchased transportation is because they're cheaper. So a union carrier that pays into a pension and has free healthcare can haul your own freight cheaper then a company they hire which I doubt pays those benefits and probably a lower wage also.
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OK TTP, I will try to explain it to you so hopefully you will understand. Our contract only allows 5% of our freight to be moved by Purchase Transport (Article 29, Section 5). The rest has to be moved by ABF drivers. Purchase Transportation is much more costly than using an ABF driver, but like Joes Bar & Grill stated, it is used to balance lanes. The Purchase Transportation drivers probably don't make very good money, but their company that provides the service is more expensive than using our company drivers. We have contract language to limit their use. If it was cheaper to use Purchase Transportation than paying their own drivers, I can assure you that XPO would do so and cut out your road bids all together as you have no contract to protect your work. So, is this going to be your new thing now that you can't make fun of our pension situation? If so, you need to study up there Peachy.
 
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Trucker 206 said:
Not a bad idea, actually. I liked those green shirts a lot more than the ‘R & L’ looking ones we had forced on us in 2015. As a retiree, I don’t have a horse in the uniform race but I have two suggestions...First, ask to be rid of those goofy-ass black clown pants and a return to being able to wear jeans (blue or black) again. Second, there needs to be follow-up on where and by who the uniforms are not only made, but by who they’re serviced by: Unionized manufacturers based in the United States and laundry services that are also Teamster members. I thought there was language in a previous contract that addressed this issue but apparently it was swept under the rug. At my old terminal, we were serviced by a non-union laundry service so I brought it up with the ‘shop steward’ (in name only) but nothing was ever done about it.
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Canary talked about contract language concerning using nonunion uniforms a few years ago. I think he filed a grievance.
 
What y’all really need to address is the hourly rate in city and line pay. It’s what has kept me in a non. $4 per hour less isn’t going to attract younger drivers. They are generally healthier and look more at take home than bennies. As an older driver however, aBF is looking more attractive with that killer insurance
 
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