And the bans have happened after Certain Posters would play the "Absolute, Irrefutable, Proof" of what "IS" is game. If one is gonna "Stack Turtles" you can't never debate a point. ABF has some expert Turtel stackers"Smart" and whether a person is or isn't is really a tough one to nail down. Lets say we have a "smart" person who acts irreverently to the point that they get hard banned (had to change their name) TWICE and soft banned (given an unwanted vacation from posting here) at least once. They consistently pass off their dreams and ideas as being facts and when given the opportunity to prove themselves they refuse (because they obviously can't). This same individual would have poured a lot of money into a losing stock and professes himself to be a counselor in investing. In addition he can't discern the difference between "then" and "than". I would dare to say that this is a hard pressed case for "smartness".
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The origins of the turtle story are uncertain.
The most widely known version, which obviously is not the source (see below), appears in Stephen Hawking's 1988 book A Brief History of Time, which starts:
A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"
—Hawking, 1988[1]