ABF Negotiations Open

Discussion in 'ABF Freight System' started by Freightmaster1, Jan 10, 2018.

  1. Trucker 206

    Trucker 206 Well-Known Member

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    I thought baking was the oldest profession.
     
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  2. LTLAnonymous

    LTLAnonymous Well-Known Member

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    Only if you count a yeast infection as "baking."
     
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  3. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    There's no need to be anti-Union, Brother.....The right of collective bargaining was legally and successfully argued as having a basis in First Amendment rights. That's why even the Robber Barons of the early 20th century couldn't just outlaw union organization and membership.........And,...believe me, they tried.....

    Judging from your post, I believe you know that just the existence of a Union benefits everyone in that particular industry,......Union and non-Union. Sometimes industry-wide benchmarks of wages, benefits, and conditions are established through years of collective bargaining,........and certainly not out of the benificence of the employers. All we need to do, is look at the near 100% turnover rate, lack of meaningful pensions and benefits, and brutal conditions family-wise, in the just about completely non-Union Truckload sector of our industry,.......to give us an idea of how trucking company owners would treat all of us if there were no Unions........

    The leverage we have now,....is only a double-edged sword if ArcBest wants to get out of LTL trucking. That will be the "bluff" game ABF is playing. Whether they use lies and deceit to trick their workforce once again into concessions should be watched very closely by all of the non-Union carriers. That would mark a new era of companies deciding that dishonesty is the new norm in treating with their employees.
    Instead of honest negotiation, a policy of disinformation and distrust would make short work of solidarity in Union employees.....

    And,.....if it works so well with the Union employees,.......think how well it would work in a non-Union setting. "Fake news", indeed.......

    I don't know who your employer is,......but they are probably members of the American Trucking Association. I keep on making the point that there are non-Union and Union drivers and employees in trucking,......but just about ALL trucking companies are members of the ATA and various other groups.

    THEY are far more "organized" than WE are..............And,.....they all discuss their employee "problems" together.......Managing US,....you and me,....Union and non-Union,.....is the biggest topic whenever trucking executives convene at their......Association("Union").....meeting......

    You may have a good, cushy, private deal where you work, where you don't want any Union...."interference"....to mess it up.....Well,.....that's good,......But,........what if your fellow co-workers don't have those same advantages? And,.....what if your company decides your cushy deal is a little too ....expensive,.......?

    I've worked non-Union,......and I saw what companies can do with a little intramural jealousy to ruin conditions.

    ( Actually,.....that was the reason Unions were started a century or so ago....)

    Remember,....the Union employee is not your enemy,.......Neither are you our enemy, Brother. The enemy is the one who want us to work harder for less under unsafe conditions,......and then lie to us to tell us how....lucky....we are to have a job........

    (...As if they could do without us.....)
     
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  4. runawaytrain

    runawaytrain Wear their scorn with pride.

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    I work for SAIA. I will only say that there are two sides to every story. Corruption has plaqued the Teamsters for decades and that’s just one reason why I’m anti-union. I won’t debate you because it would be pointless. I’ve travelled that road too many times. I just hope ArcBest does the right thing this time.
     
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  5. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Well....I’ll agree that sometimes our.......bumbling ......leadership, becomes our own worst enemy. I’ve seen them at their worst, too.

    But,.....the perfect ideal of a Union is a noble cause,........an honorable endeavor in support of the working man.

    The same as if corporations were honorable and trustworthy in their dealings with working people. If they were, we would have no need of Unions.

    Since neither of those two are.........shall we say?......perfect,.....working people are left to use whatever .....”tool”........is available to level the playing field in the workplace.

    Thank you for your support of the ABF guys, though. It is appreciated......ArcBest “doing the right thing” ,.....in this instance, means negotiating honestly,.......without trickery and phony “offers” to buy or sell,...........and with regards to industry conditions and fairness.

    The Teamsters job is to call them out when they suspect negotiations aren’t quite on the level,.......as it were.

    ........(......the rank and file’s job.....is to keep an eye on the Union leadership.....)........
     
  6. runawaytrain

    runawaytrain Wear their scorn with pride.

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    The bottom line is this. It will be up to the brothers in the end. Just vote no. Don’t vote yes and then cry about it for years. I don’t have faith in ArcBest to do the right thing. They will bluff and you can’t back down. Not this time.
     
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  7. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    You and I definately agree on that. I believe it's called having the " courage of your convictions"
     
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  8. Trucker 206

    Trucker 206 Well-Known Member

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    I agree (as usual) with you, canary. There’s something immoral about abandoning your convictions. PM me sometime...I’d love to chat.
     
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  9. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Remember..........you're dealing with a curmudgeon and a truck driver to boot......

    Highly opinionated and plenty of time to pontificate.......

    Careful what you're asking for, Brother.......
     
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  10. Trucker 206

    Trucker 206 Well-Known Member

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    As long as you can deal with a loud, boisterous Italian dude...we’re even.
     
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  11. vongrimmenstein

    vongrimmenstein Well-Known Member

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    That's about right. 15 or 16 percent social security of every dollar you report if you are 1099. Then, at least 12 percent for federal & 3% in Indiana. So 30% a week from you gross working for yourself is what you should hold back. Now, how much of that is cash income & how much do you report? Uh hu. That's what I thought. von.
     
  12. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    I will PM you.
     
  13. clydesdale

    clydesdale Active Member

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    vote no on everything before April 1.....that is when the real negotiations will start !!
     
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  14. wongway

    wongway -15% Pay , Never forget

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    So What going on with the talks ? March 31st coming up soon !
     
  15. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Well,......according to the Only Person on the Two Man Committee in this area......No progress on anything, except that the "hair sample" drug testing, and the "fitness for duty" provision have been withdrawn from the company proposals.......

    Maybe the company is done throwing stink bombs..........Air the room out, and get down to the reality of chronic driver shortages and 15% company tax windfalls........
     
  16. Abfrocks

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    So they are going to meet again on March 12th in Kansas City. Said they discussed ABF role in the ArcBest corporation. Ernie said the next round of economics, health and welfare, and pension will be difficult. I thought they were discussing that this round. To me, it sounds like nothing of importance has been accomplished
     
  17. Trucker 206

    Trucker 206 Well-Known Member

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    And so it goes. Relentless foot-dragging, and more wasted time discussing who has the biggest dong. Meanwhile, us dockworkers and drivers are working our tails off for less money than ever if you factor in inflation. I pray the rank-and-file has the stomach for a walkout, because I definitely see that coming.
     
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  18. holland68

    holland68 Who cares

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    Played some golf and ate some good food.
     
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  19. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Too much of that gives you gout and gallstones. Rich man’s disease.........

    Get outta that cart and walk off that T-bone steak!
     
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  20. TurnCoat

    TurnCoat The IBT--Looking out for YOU...and...THEM!

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    The new way of negotiating....let the current contract expire so the company gets a few more months under the current cut-rate deal. Company blames Union, Union blames Company for slow talks. When the "strike hammer" used to be a "real thing" we would have already been voting on the second offer by mid March....looking like July or August again.
     

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