Estes | Bid once a year? Yes or No

[Kings disciple]

Looks like the re-bid is a done deal.
Also the bump bid if you lose your run is a done deal.
Is that enough or do we want to bid every year?
That will be the question asked in the new survey coming out of corporate.

Let's see what you guys think about it.

Only Estes drivers vote please.

I'll go ahead and tell you I'm a yes. With the LTL business like a rollercoaster these days our company has to adjust things sometimes very quickly.
With a yearly bid the drivers have a way of adjusting also.

Also personal lives and circumstances change and it's good to be able to change your work life with it...

 

[Starkravinloon]

Got my survey and filled it out yesturday..

 

[Kings disciple]

Ya me to. Seems like some barns did it yesterday and some are gonna wait till first of week.
We got ours yesterday but 039 has not yet.
I've not heard when we are supposed to be told the results.

 

[donut]

i hope it is not rigged like the last vote we took. i think j.j. should step away and let some one else handle this , for some reason i dont trust that guy.

 

[Starkravinloon]

Ya me to. Seems like some barns did it yesterday and some are gonna wait till first of week.
We got ours yesterday but 039 has not yet.
I've not heard when we are supposed to be told the results.

Haven't heard a date when we will hear on the results..Probably around 1st of December or there after..

 

[Kings disciple]

Yup, probably so.

 

[daycabpornstar]

I am tired of this company not holding true to their "christian values". Changing their policies everyday. Now some smuck that has less time, can bump me in a classification if his run gets cancelled. This company is getting out of hand!!!!!!! I used to enjoy working here, but all the games are really pushing me to my edge:TR10driving03:...Time for a change...If they alow this kind of bidding, than we will get UNIONIZED:USA:. Never thought I would say that...Its not about money and benefits...its about a moral obligation of the company to follow its own procedures..............Time to call their bluff!!!!!!!! I know I'm gonna get thrashed for this, but the truth hurts, and you guys know it.... Change is coming, and if you have time with the company, you better protect it!!!

 

[Kings disciple]

Your wrong.
Now we can finally use our time for something besides vacation weeks.
You think it's right for a 15-20yr. man to lose a run and have to run extra board indefinitly? Your not thinking straight driver.

Changing their policies everyday.

Huh? Man things hardly ever change around here.

Now some smuck that has less time, can bump me

Smuck? Nice attitude towards your fellow drivers. And your gonna complain about somebody elses christian values and things like moral obligations?
If your on the L/H board and another guy has more time on the L/H board and you get bumped TO BAD because it's fair.
You won that schedule bid with your with your classification time did'nt ya? The rule was good enough for you then right?
So what's changed? I know, the rule ain't good enough now that you might get out whiskered on your run?

Anytime we get a way to use our seniority it's a good thing, don't you get that?
I don't know how much time you got, but when you start building serious time 15-20+ you'll be glad you get to use it.
I'm tired of seeing these hands out there with this kind of time with no hope of a bid.
So are (most) everybody else including Richmond. But I reckon they're just more smucks to you right?

Don't ever think your run is safe and never will be canceled, no run is bulletproof. You might actually be glad you can bump one day.
I bet you'll like the new way then huh?

 

[mildew]

They aint gonna make everyone happy either way. When I get my pefect day time run I'll vote against the every year bid. They may not have bid runs next year if we keep losing customers. Who knows what's going on right now.

 

[Kings disciple]

I don't care what kind of run I've got. I will always believe it's a good thing to bid.

That perfect day time run might go 6 weeks then got shot down to and I'd like to use my time to get another run.
As a matter of fact I'm running a 074 to 010 and back daytime bid this week for a guy on vaca. that will end this week.
Plenty of frieght on it and it's making service but they decided to start running it out of 010 starting Nov. 2
So no run is safe and I think bidding is the best way to keep it fair all the time.

P.S. Dew...looks like the Tide is gonna hand my vols thier butts in Bama today...12 to 3 with 3min left and Bama has the ball...

Uh Oh..Dennis Rogeman just recovered a fumble for Tn! There may be hope yet!

 

[daycabpornstar]

Your wrong.
Now we can finally use our time for something besides vacation weeks.
You think it's right for a 15-20yr. man to lose a run and have to run extra board indefinitly? Your not thinking straight driver.



Huh? Man things hardly ever change around here.



Smuck? Nice attitude towards your fellow drivers. And your gonna complain about somebody elses christian values and things like moral obligations?
If your on the L/H board and another guy has more time on the L/H board and you get bumped TO BAD because it's fair.
You won that schedule bid with your with your classification time did'nt ya? The rule was good enough for you then right?
So what's changed? I know, the rule ain't good enough now that you might get out whiskered on your run?

Anytime we get a way to use our seniority it's a good thing, don't you get that?
I don't know how much time you got, but when you start building serious time 15-20+ you'll be glad you get to use it.
I'm tired of seeing these hands out there with this kind of time with no hope of a bid.
So are (most) everybody else including Richmond. But I reckon they're just more smucks to you right?

Don't ever think your run is safe and never will be canceled, no run is bulletproof. You might actually be glad you can bump one day.
I bet you'll like the new way then huh?

Actually, KD, the ONLY fair way to bid is by length of service with the company!!!! That way there is no confusion. Should just have City and Road classes...bid once a year. I transfered to a terminal that I helped open, and got railroaded by this stupid classification rule. I had 7 years total length of service compared with the 2 1/2 years the driver that was awarded the run. Because he came from a small podunk town, and was thrown on flex line haul when it was slow, he recieved the bid. I came from a much larger terminal. Thats bull :: and you know it. Just like the utility hub drivers getting boned...guys had years in that "class". Two weeks b4 the REBID, they change it to linehaul utility and THEY lost all that time...got boned by sum smuck that has less time with the company. And it will happen again. I have 7 years, which aint much compared to your 15-20 (by the way, I'm only 31 so it's hard for me to have that much time), but I WILL get railroaded by this stupid bidding process again, along with the others that got boned b4. Ya, yur right i do like my seniority, but in this company it don't mean ::. This company has a bunch of butt-kissing yes men it's ridiculous. By the way, I'm not Christian and do not need an invisble friend for adults.

 

[booser]

Daycabpornstar I feel your pain. Drive their trucks, do what they ask you to do, often times get forced to a different class, then get it shoved in your...well you know. Problem is people want to protect what they have, and they confuse what the definition of "senority" is. Where I come from, it's the day you hire on with the company, and become part of the "team." IMO there isn't much real senority in this company and I have to wish ill will on others inorder to ever reclaim my years here. That's real nice :(

Problem is people site rules this and rules that and IMO are more then happy to set aside a few morrals of their own to jump ahead in the line. You and I both know in a lot of these terminals over the years the rules do change, and were done differently for years and most drivers were none the wiser. Often times if your terminal had done it a certain way a city guy wouldn't have a clue when they made a jump for the mere fact they associate with those only at their term who may all think it's done a certain way. Alot of these guys don't realize the smaller terms in years passed would do their own things as TM's seen fit.

And for the the guys who did know how it worked they also knew the rule that if they did make a change to a different catagory, and they did get a bid run, the run would be their's because "ESTES HAS LIFETIME BIDS" So for those who knew the rule they gave up their time with the premiss that the run they were awarded wouldn't be taken away unless cancled by corp. So estes changed that as well last yr with the rebid and of coarse said "this is a one time bid" More BS. So no people didn't know the rules because they do indeed change them as they see fit. So their promise of a lifetime bid is revoked, and then they tell you your true senority doesn't count and your a :: bag at the bottom the line after they take it away. The new hire that hired in off the street 6 months ago not having a clue how things work will now get to not only out bid you, but can bump you with your X amount of years. I think if most were true to their values, they would perhaps admit that it isn't right even if admitting it didn't bennifit themselves.

So Daycabpornstar I know your comming on pretty strong, IMO a little too strong to fellow drivers, but I understand the reason why.

 

[booser]

You think it's right for a 15-20yr. man to lose a run and have to run extra board indefinitly? Your not thinking straight driver.


I don't know how much time you got, but when you start building serious time 15-20+ you'll be glad you get to use it.
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KD not bashing but what would you propose we do to the 20 yr man who ran city and has been force to the extra due to say a medical reason that renders him unable to do city work. Good guy, loyal guy, hard working guy all 20yrs. I guess his 20 yrs shouldn't count and he should run extra indefinetly. And this has happened as I've talked to a couple in this situation. What should we do with him and should his 20yrs of hard work count for anything?

 

[Kings disciple]

That's a good question booser. What I'm wondering is what medical reason? If it's his back or something that would keep him from lifting then him changing to L/H won't help him 'cause if he can't lift then he can't hook a set. We break and hook sets like crazy in L/H now (and more to come) so if you can't lift then you can't hook. We had a 14yr. P&D man that blew out his back and the only thing he could do was go team so his partner could do the hookin. So that's what he did.

We've got a couple of older guys at my barn in P&D that don't get around as good as they used to and they get taken care of.
That's how that problem is dealt with here.

Question for you booser. A man runs L/H for 10yrs on E/B staying gone all week from the fam. looking to get a bid, bid goes up and he loses to a P&D guy that's been home every night since he hired in and never run E/B and never spent a night on the road. Is that fair?
My point is at some point you gotta take responsibility for your own choices.
Myself I saw the set-up and I chose the road path and I'm happy with it.
Then you take a guy like Legshot, he chose the city and he seems to really like it.
There's been days when I missed something at home and wished I took city.
And I'm sure there's days when a city man gets fed up with traffic and crabby people and wished he'd took the road.
But we live with the choice we made on those days.


Mildew was right though. There is NO WAY to make everybody happy but I think this change is a step in the right direction to a more fair system.

Daycab all I can say about your situation is, I've always liked the 2 board idea. P&D and L/H. I do understand the problems of multiple classifications. You just got 7yrs? I'm telling you if you stay longer your gonna be glad about this change, just look further down the road instead of just around the corner.
But at least now we can use our seniority more than we could before.

Thanks for the slam of my faith by the way on your invisible friend comment. I knew that was coming.
So now I ask you can you see the wind? No, but you know it's there because you can hear it.
Same thing with God, I can't see Him but I know He's there, I can hear Him in His Word. Think about it.

John 3:8 Jesus speaking-
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

[Starkravinloon]

Nothing is really changing..The only thing that would change is, if a L/H driver has his run cancelled,he will be able to "bump bid", which practically everywhere else,is standard operating procedure..

I think what needs to be addressed here more than that is, how many more will be let go.How much more laying off will take place?You better worry about that, before you worry about what's going to be done to the bid process..Because I've heard some things that may or may not happen,that would be a lot worse than bidding..

Sorry BB.Guess I should have put the last statement in the RUMOR thread,but needed it to complete the quote..

Ya'll have a good weekend..Go Saints..Congrats to the LSU Tigers..

 

[rjjr]

hey stark that's the 2nd time u referred to big changes, can u post on rumers thread ?? curiosity is killing this cat !!

 

[daycabpornstar]

City guys aren't bidding, so that scenario doesn't work, but if he was hired b4 you, than it should go to him if it is a total system-wide rebid....Well, this rebid is still gonna railroad the same people that it railroaded b4( Hub guy with 5 years , run gets cancelled goes extra... another guy on extra board for 5 months, gets bid seniority just because he was a crappy city driver and it was slow in the city).........Just another reason their will be a vote real SOON. At least @ my terminal..... They changed my run a year ago from hub to linehaul, and lost all my hub time...Just like the "hub utility" a year ago.......... tired of the games...

 

[booser]

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Question for you booser. A man runs L/H for 10yrs on E/B staying gone all week from the fam. looking to get a bid, bid goes up and he loses to a P&D guy that's been home every night since he hired in and never run E/B and never spent a night on the road. Is that fair?
My point is at some point you gotta take responsibility for your own choices.

If the p/d driver put his name on a bid and was awarded it, thought it was his for the "life time bid" and now they are changing everything and going back on "their word", yes I think it should go by company senority.

I think you are trying to lable one possition more "important" or valuable than another. I don't. I personally value loyalty to the company. I don't think if you hired on in 2000, then another guy hired in in 2002, that the 02 guy should get to have more credit than you. Personally I made a decision to leave a good job back in the day, take a chance with Estes, who was unheard of in this area then, and have been loyal ever since doing what was asked of me no matter what shift or possition. Mean while others who at the same time were showing their loyality to another company gets to railroad me. Nope not fair. I don't play this possition is more valuable than that game or this man's sacrifice is more valuable than that guys. It's all one big JOB for all of us. Linehaul thinks their the top, let's see what you pull when City don't work for a day or two, city thinks they are top, ok what happens when inbound trailors don't show up with LH. It's one team that makes the COMPANY go round and round to support all of us. It's a JOB and personally I want credit for my loyality and service.. All of it and I'm not looking to get something for nothing and railroad you and your time either. You can't turn back time and argue a Hire in Date, if you do IMO your looking for something for nothing.


P&D ain't all that easy fella's. lot's of pressure, lots of traffic, lot's of places you shouldn't be in the first place, and not a lot of time to do it in. And don't bring it back. They deserve credit, without them us L/H guys wouldn't go far. We all make this company work, and IMO you all deserve your credit from the first day you hired on to Estes, no more, and certainly no LESS

 

[rjjr]

Having thousands of drivers, means having a thousand opinions on how to run this bid process. IMO this is by no way a perfect way to bid, but it is surely a fairer way to handle the problems that existed with bid runs being cancelled. Are some drivers gonna get the shaft this way ? Yes. But for the most part this is a start to being fair to the most drivers possible

 

[Kings disciple]

I think you are trying to lable one possition more "important" or valuable than another. I don't. I personally value loyalty to the company.

Nope not true at all. I have great respect for what P&D guys do.
They made thier choice to work city, I made mine to work the road. That's all I'm saying.
And some days I think they made the better choice. But I made my choice and going to live with it.

So should I be able to bump a guy that's on a peddle run and stick him on the extra L/H board? I could on total co. time bump a bunch of them.
But I don't want to. Those guys signed on for local, I did'nt.
If that P&D man had wanted to run the road that's what he would have picked.

By the way if your thinking I'm glad about all this 'cause I'm getting a run out of it your wrong.
We only have 5 L/H runs right now and 5 Hub runs. I'm 4th in L/H.
I can't bid on the Hub runs and two of the L/H runs are very short and I can't afford to be on them right now putting a kid through college.
So it's not going to help me a bit. After the re-bid and all is said and done I'm still on E/B gone all week.
I'm just glad to see seniority gain a little more power overall.