You are absolutely correct. My first year or so dealing with Gordon was nothing but cussing and yelling at each other at local talks. I thought he was the most obnoxious SOB on the planet, and I am sure he felt the same way towards me. Once we both realized that the other one was never giving in, we learned to tolerate one another. We eventually learned how to work with one another and would listen to each other’s reasoning before responding. So I guess you can say that we learned to understand one another. His inability to lie eventually won my respect, even if I did not agree with his methods. Because of him, I learned to be very detailed in the grievances that I filed, because if I were not, he would shred me to pieces at the grievance hearings. Gordon was not a bad person, he was just a little to hard-core about his opinions of others flaws. When I learned to deal with this trait of his, we were able to resolve most of our disagreements with local talks. In short, his honesty won my respect, but his methods never did.