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USF2604 said:
Well they need to start somewhere and bring the union back to where it started on the backs of driver's and warehouse workers. If not there then where?
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Focus on taking the stuff away from government which unions provided.
Take the net away. Take the food stamps and rent money away. Make government insurance crap and undesirable.
Let them get hungry.
It's the only way they'll fight.
I can't see numbers building with the current system of organizing.
Majority votes by company needs to be put in the past.
Representation for individuals is the way to go. Not a vote. But legal contracts just like a CEO has
for himself. Or a small businessman. Sign here. This is my rate. This is what I do. This is what I don't do. And the courts hold them to it.
It's not gonna happen by company, especially when these big nonunion employees are happy with their pay and benefits.

I can't see majorities of people wanting to push their employer to bankruptcy as was just done. A very slim amount of people think that way. They fear loss of income. So....I doubt FedEx, XPO, Saia, OD....will go for that.
And the family LTL's. Like Estes, or Pyle, or Pitt-Ohio or Ward will never ever go for it.

People proudly boasted "It's over".
Looks like it is.
I think what's just been done is a huge mistake for future organizing under the current majority vote system. It hasn't worked since deregulation.
 
truckinforcash said:
You have to also figure, the healthcare at Estes and other non-unions might not be top tier, but it isn’t cheap either, they’re contributing 10-15k per employee towards your insurance, the 80-90 bucks or whatever the employee has to pay a week is a drop in the bucket compared to the employers portion of the premium.
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Thank you! This point completely goes over the heads of a lot of posters who think the companies don’t contribute to the health and welfare and never include it in their “comparisons”. The stat I recently read stated that the AVERAGE premium paid for health insurance by businesses is over $22k per year.

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In 2021, the average total annual premium for employer sponsored insurance (ESI)amounted to 21,381 U.S.
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almost13ranch said:
Thank you! This point completely goes over the heads of a lot of posters who think the companies don’t contribute to the health and welfare and never include it in their “comparisons”. The stat I recently read stated that the AVERAGE premium paid for health insurance by businesses is over $22k per year.
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It's either that. Or mandated forced taxation for people to have insurance.
It's a necessary part of capitalism.
If profits come before that....,than whomever wants that cares nothing for the citizens of its nation, or desires communism/socialism type policy
 
USF2604 said:
Does the IBT ever organize another freight company again? Why not start at Estes?
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Too tough for The Boston Meathead. He likes those parking lot attendants, easy pickins. The Teamsters have no interest in organizing freight companies. They'll take'em if it's handed to them like UPS Freight, otherwise forget about it.
 
drummerforhire said:
It needs to start wherever the workers need union representation. Estes just ain’t that place. People won’t just invite the Union in because they’re big fans of the teamsters.
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There's not a large company around that needs union representation. They treat and compensate their employees well. If they didn't, their employees would go elsewhere. There was a time and a place for unions. They exist now to stuff their own coffers preyng on the gullible who believe their employers are greedy and exploiting them.... or those who have so much time in that is in their best interest to remain Teamsters even if it means a crappy work environment and increased risk of employer going bankrupt.
 
My Father was at Borden’s for 19 years. When Borden’s withdrew from the upper Midwest market in 1969-70, the Teamsters didn’t do jack for those displaced workers/drivers. Dad went to Southland Corp. in 1970, in the mid ‘80’s or so Southland farmed out all transportation to Ruan, without local managers at Southland stepping in, and holding spots in the plant for displaced drivers, there would have nothing for Dad. Once again the Teamsters didn’t offer squat.
 
From what I'm hearing from people higher up in the industry is that Estes will be taking on 50 percent of Yellows debt and taking over a chunk of their terminals. Planning has already started for Estes to move into several Yellow terminals in NY.
 
YellaLegacy said:
From what I'm hearing from people higher up in the industry is that Estes will be taking on 50 percent of Yellows debt and taking over a chunk of their terminals. Planning has already started for Estes to move into several Yellow terminals in NY.
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The Long Island area I'm assuming?
 
Lazer said:
My Father was at Borden’s for 19 years. When Borden’s withdrew from the upper Midwest market in 1969-70, the Teamsters didn’t do jack for those displaced workers/drivers. Dad went to Southland Corp. in 1970, in the mid ‘80’s or so Southland farmed out all transportation to Ruan, without local managers at Southland stepping in, and holding spots in the plant for displaced drivers, there would have nothing for Dad. Once again the Teamsters didn’t offer squat.
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Sadly, I have to agree. The IBT appears to be full of smoke, but not much fire. Help from them? Please don't hold your breath; you will suffocate. By the way, I've asked for a voice of opinions before. Do we (collectively) have grounds to bring suit against the IBT and O'Brien personally?
 
slavenomore said:
Focus on taking the stuff away from government which unions provided.
Take the net away. Take the food stamps and rent money away. Make government insurance crap and undesirable.
Let them get hungry.
It's the only way they'll fight.
I can't see numbers building with the current system of organizing.
Majority votes by company needs to be put in the past.
Representation for individuals is the way to go. Not a vote. But legal contracts just like a CEO has
for himself. Or a small businessman. Sign here. This is my rate. This is what I do. This is what I don't do. And the courts hold them to it.
It's not gonna happen by company, especially when these big nonunion employees are happy with their pay and benefits.

I can't see majorities of people wanting to push their employer to bankruptcy as was just done. A very slim amount of people think that way. They fear loss of income. So....I doubt FedEx, XPO, Saia, OD....will go for that.
And the family LTL's. Like Estes, or Pyle, or Pitt-Ohio or Ward will never ever go for it.

People proudly boasted "It's over".
Looks like it is.
I think what's just been done is a huge mistake for future organizing under the current majority vote system. It hasn't worked since deregulation.
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Exactly, the teamsters fork over millions to democrats so they can create a bigger and bigger overbearing government. While handling work functions that workers once needed unions to do.
Union can only blame themselves.
In 2020 union gave democrats $1.6 BILLION and got jobs shipped to China or union pipeline construction jobs terminated.
Not very smart....
 
YellaLegacy said:
From what I'm hearing from people higher up in the industry is that Estes will be taking on 50 percent of Yellows debt and taking over a chunk of their terminals. Planning has already started for Estes to move into several Yellow terminals in NY.
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Highly doubt that, they may purchase property but why take on debt? For what gain?
 
YellaLegacy said:
From what I'm hearing from people higher up in the industry is that Estes will be taking on 50 percent of Yellows debt and taking over a chunk of their terminals. Planning has already started for Estes to move into several Yellow terminals in NY.
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All Estes is doing is funding the bankruptcy. All the assets, including the leases terminals will go into the bankruptcy proceedings and Yellow needs cash to do that. Apollo was charging a huge fee/interest rate for that and Estes has stepped in the fund the bankruptcy process. Estes will own none of Yellows debt. Estes owns several of the Yellow terminals, but those will have to clear the bankruptcy process and those leases have to be rejected by the Bankruptcy trustee for them to take them over. Lots of balls in the air before all of this settles. Estes will make money after all the money is collected from the bankruptcy.
 
EX396 said:
There's not a large company around that needs union representation. They treat and compensate their employees well. If they didn't, their employees would go elsewhere. There was a time and a place for unions. They exist now to stuff their own coffers preyng on the gullible who believe their employers are greedy and exploiting them.... or those who have so much time in that is in their best interest to remain Teamsters even if it means a crappy work environment and increased risk of employer going bankrupt.
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Apparently you never heard of Amazon.... Those profits and delivery guys are paid substandard wages compared to other delivery drivers UPS fedex. I mean if I was a delivery driver for Amazon I'd probably be like look everyone we getting screwed let's call in SOB
 
I like turtle's said:
Apparently you never heard of Amazon.... Those profits and delivery guys are paid substandard wages compared to other delivery drivers UPS fedex. I mean if I was a delivery driver for Amazon I'd probably be like look everyone we getting screwed let's call in SOB
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Amazon drivers work for owner operator type contractors.
They organized a small group of them in CA. Amazon just cuts the contract with the owner operators....and the union is gone. They'll do that everytime and nobody's gonna stop it.

It's over......as some take pleasure in saying.
Forget Amazon.
Pretty sure they use alot of temps inside.
They'll do the same with them.
The top of all unions should know that.

It's over.
 
slavenomore said:
Amazon drivers work for owner operator type contractors.
They organized a small group of them in CA. Amazon just cuts the contract with the owner operators....and the union is gone. They'll do that everytime and nobody's gonna stop it.

It's over......as some take pleasure in saying.
Forget Amazon.
Pretty sure they use alot of temps inside.
They'll do the same with them.
The top of all unions should know that.

It's over.
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in NJ, the warehouse's are run by staffing agencies- employees don't work for Amazon. We had 2 trailer drivers come in, they each work for different contracting companies as the same building. One was paid good but had no medical at all , the other was paid less but had medical but it was not that good. Both started in the warehouse and Amazon put them through driving school on the property( 180 Driving School).
 
ltltrkr said:
in NJ, the warehouse's are run by staffing agencies- employees don't work for Amazon. We had 2 trailer drivers come in, they each work for different contracting companies as the same building. One was paid good but had no medical at all , the other was paid less but had medical but it was not that good. Both started in the warehouse and Amazon put them through driving school on the property( 180 Driving School).
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I repeat.
Before organizing at Amazon starts....
It's over.

I find it very hard to believe any credible IBT leadership wouldn't have known this.
It's been going on at employers for over 35 years..
Anything and everything to prevent organizing.
They should've fought every headline that tried to say they're gonna organize Amazon....because it ain't happening. It's just gonna make them look stupid
 
I like turtle's said:
Apparently you never heard of Amazon.... Those profits and delivery guys are paid substandard wages compared to other delivery drivers UPS fedex. I mean if I was a delivery driver for Amazon I'd probably be like look everyone we getting screwed let's call in SOB
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If I were a delivery driver for Amazon I would be looking elsewhere for a job as soon as I felt I had the skills and experience to do so. Guess we just have different plans of attack when it comes to problem solving.
 
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