In Transition

Discussion in 'New England Motor Freight' started by ganis, Mar 4, 2007.

  1. lukepa

    lukepa Guest

    OK now your information is outright wrong!!! Apparently your in love with the IAMUW. This is no longer about the company it's about the worthless union and obviously you belong with the union because your information could not be more wrong!!! You might as well become a business agent:nutkick:
     
  2. lukepa

    lukepa Guest

  3. peg leg

    peg leg Member

    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Sounds to me you need the Teamsters
     
  4. StewieGriffin

    StewieGriffin Member

    Messages:
    360
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Gaynis, still waiting for an apology for your misinformation driven attacks. i simply was refering to situations where i knew what i was talking about, something you should try.
     
  5. 2631

    2631 Member

    Messages:
    664
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    How about an update on what the union is doing to get its members back to work...Is NEMF still using Carrier & Eastern to do the work of union workers who are on layoff ?
     
  6. steelmiller

    steelmiller Banned

    Messages:
    480
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Update

    The deal with the Eastern guys in Pittsburgh is not yet resolved, It is to come before an arbitrator in Philly. If the union looses, the union NEMF guys are in a world of hurt!

    Stewie, I heard you guys get $20/h to work the dock and $20/h detention time, is that the deal? If so maybe you can get me on at Cleaveland. ;)

    To be honest you may have a better deal for now, so dragging your feet on unionizing might be in your best interest.

    BTW, the reason I keep badgering you to join the union is that NEMF has been using that as a reason to run the other companies on the turns instead of us union drivers in PIT.

    I really feel that this issue is our "Waterloo" of sorts. If the Company wins, it's step 1 in breaking whatever union that we do have......
     
  7. grovedog

    grovedog Member

    Messages:
    75
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    as long as a company treats you fairly a union is a waste of money. as long as the employees come to work to work a union is a waste of money. have heard that carrier handles inside deliveries all day long. a constant and forever whining issue for th teamster boys.have spoken with many nemf drivers union and non and they are all appreciative for what they have and understand that spending or wasting money on people they dont need is irresponsible. so a few people suffer for alittle while so the company can stay strong.... seems very responsible to the masses of workers still working doesnt it. they will eventually come back hopefully to a stronger company
    as far as unions go see cf,united airlines,uaw
    driving their people out of work.5000 people have good jobs at nemf
     
  8. StewieGriffin

    StewieGriffin Member

    Messages:
    360
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    you don't wanna live here. it's always raining when it's too warm to snow, and the local NFL team is even worse than the steelers were last year, before they cut joey porter. plus if you're a road driver, you'll trade the stuff you listed for a 3 cpm pay cut.:chairshot:
     
  9. steelmiller

    steelmiller Banned

    Messages:
    480
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    LOL, thanks for putting it into perspective Stewie.

    I COULD NEVER BE A BROWNS FAN!
     
  10. ganis

    ganis Member

    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Unions don't drive people out of work

    You heard that Carrier handles inside deliveries all day long? I'll tell you what Carrier Industries was when it started and what it is now.
    Originally, NEMF had a good long-term relationship with GAP/OLD NAVY and they were picking up trailerloads for distribution from the Gap's DC's. Also, the Gap was loading trailerloads of distribution at a DC in Kentucky and shipping it directly to our Buffalo NY Terminal, where the orders would be assembled and loaded into NEMF outbound Trailers, going to other Terminals for local deliveries. The deliveries were all going to stores, many of which were located inside shopping malls. It was a rather labor intensive struggle to make many of these deliveries and to further complicate matters, many of these stores wanted the deliveries performed in the evening, because they didn't want deliveries to interfere with the operation of the store. Six or seven years ago, NEMF decided that they wanted to protect this business but felt that they needed to handle it more economically, so they approached the Gap with a proposal to create a third-party logistics company called
    Carrier Industries. The Gap opened a new DC in Fishkill NY (10 miles east of the Hudson River and right off I-84) and Carrier Industries provided a fleet of tractors and trailers for the delivery work. All the drivers were hired by Carrier Industries and told (up-front) that the work was mostly nights, delivering to the Gap Stores. Since that time,
    the original Contract with the Gap for this activity was renewed (with a reduction in the service area) and Carrier now is still doing the Gap work. Because the Company wants to expand this operation to do other business, they are holding their drivers by sending them to do NEMF Line Haul and P & D
    whenever they feel that there is excess work at NEMF. The problem that the Line Haul Drivers have with this is that we are made to wait in terminals for next-day loads (sometimes for an hour or more), while a Carrier driver will come into the Terminal and be dispatched with a load of Appointment freight that was all ready to go. They don't let the Carrier drivers wait because they are on the clock (earning between 18.50 and 21.00/hr with time and 1/2 after 8), but the NEMF drivers get 10/hr after 45 min free for waiting, so it's cheaper for the Company to
    let the NEMF drivers wait. City drivers at NEMF are being denied the overtime they could make, by coming back the the Terminal to pickup another delivery-load. Also, in terms of actual work, when it's busy, management looks for opportunities to put work aside (the easy skid loads) for Carrier,
    in order to control the amount of overtime that the NEMF drivers make.
    Of course all of this comes under the heading of the Company's right to Manage their business, so we understand why it's being done. That doesn't mean that we have to like it!
    Regarding your statement that Unions
    drive people out of work.
    CF was deliberately and intentionally destroyed by the parent company CNF, when they made a decision to open up CON-WAY.
    Systematically, the sales force at Con_Way was directed to go to all of the good accounts that CF had and offer them a cheaper deal. It took about 4 years, but CNF succeeded in destroying what was once the number 2 LTL carrier in the USA.
    United Airline was a victim of multiple negative factors, high cost of Unionized workers was one of them, but they also were very much affected by the crash of the Airline Industry after the WTC disaster and an influx of budget non-union carriers into the Insudstry (many of which have since gone out of business also)
    UAW- There continues to be a trend in this country to buy foreign cars, particularly Japanese cars, because they are cheaper
    and percieved to be better-made. As long as no protectionist Import Tariffs are put in place by our government, our auto industry will continue to decline, but don't blame the presence of Unions for this. Unions enabled many people to achieve middle-class status,
    own their own homes and send their children to college. If we vaporize our middle class
    after we eliminate the Unions, then we can compete with Japanese imports (while we all live in apartment buildings, pay rent and try to use a bicycle to get to work every day
    (because you can't afford a car )
    Finally, the remark that you spoke to many Union NEMF drivers is doubtful. If you are out of the Chicago (Elk Grove Village) terminal, I can't see how you had any contact with any Union drivers, other than this website. I will say that I wish you well on your honeymoon with your new job. Just remember, things change and nothing is permanent. If all is as promised right now, I hope that it stays that way for you. Good Luck!
    IAM Shop Steward and proud of it!
    :USA:
     
  11. ganis

    ganis Member

    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    If my information is wrong, it's very simple to prove that statement. Just call up as many Teamster organized Truck Terminals as you can (at Yellow, Roadway, ABF, New Penn, Holland, etc.) and tell them you have no CDL and you want a dock job. I don't think you will get too many offers.:smilie_132:
     
  12. lukepa

    lukepa Guest

    You apparently didn't read those hiring boards they are all looking for dock only positions.
     
  13. ganis

    ganis Member

    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    No I didn't see them. Let me know where they are and I check it out.
     
  14. snookums

    snookums New Member

    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    post 22 on this thread lukepa listed links to dock only positions.
     
  15. StewieGriffin

    StewieGriffin Member

    Messages:
    360
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    lukepa and i have proven our point. why don't you gather some FACTS to back up your point?
     
  16. ganis

    ganis Member

    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Wrong, they are not looking for dock only
    (without a CDL) in fact, if you read further into Roadways offerings, it states that some dock positions require a CDL to drive. It also clearly state "Preferred Requirements" must have CDL.
    ABF does not mention this as a requirement,
    however, I assure you that no one works the dock at any Teamster organized job, without a CDL, if they ever want to progress past Part-Time or Casual status.
    Casuals get paid the Teamster starting rate for the job, but do not have Health Insurance.
    They also do not have a steady full-time job,
    especially without a CDL, which makes them available to do yard-switcher (Hostler) work or City Delivery, when available.
    Go ahead and call some of those listings and
    I promise you that, provided you get more than a "come down and fillout an application",
    whomever you are talking to will ask "DO YOU
    HAVE A CDL?". When you answer "NO", you will be told "OK, WE'LL CALL YOU IF SOMETHING COMES UP"
    I'm trying to explain to you that, certainly you know how to read a listing on a website,
    as well as or better than anyone else, but it just is not that way in the real world!
     
  17. HillBilly Frog

    HillBilly Frog Active Member

    Messages:
    1,907
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    38
    WRONG I know that more don't have them then do.
    Wrong on the 1st part. They pay a higher rate to casuals than starting rates. Right on the insurance.
     
  18. ganis

    ganis Member

    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    You're probably right on the rate of pay, if you consider that someone that makes the seniority list drops-down to 85% of top scale.
    I meant that casuals get top scale, while they are casuals.
     
  19. nightowl

    nightowl Active Member

    Messages:
    805
    Likes Received:
    185
    Trophy Points:
    43
    they drop to 75%. also here in b'more road casuals get full rate while city casulas get a percentage of full pay.
     
  20. 2631

    2631 Member

    Messages:
    664
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    In local 560 ABF casuals get medical benefits if they work 12 days in the month. They also get vacation & pension credits
     

Share This Page