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bigfoot077 said:
That kind of comment is just the thing I was talking about. It is real easy to come on here and go do you want this? How about this? Maybe you would like this? Like I said, you can ask for $2 a mile and $50 an hour and then wish in one hand an crap in the other and see which one fills up first. There is nothing for sure other than your commitment to pay dues. That is the only for sure thing. You can ask for whatever you want, doesn't mean you are going to get it.

You are right though, anything is possible like winning the lottery. Keep playing every week. There are no promises BUT, anything is possible.
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So what is most important to you other than your monetary concern for services rendered by a union?

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222lifer said:
So what is most important to you other than your monetary concern for services rendered by a union?

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Security is my most important concern. I like to know that the job I have today is going to be there tomorrow. Nothing is for sure and I know that but, what I have seen from unions in the past, that is less of a for sure thing that non union.

I know that management is what ruins companies but it is also greed. I want my company to be able to survive in this cutthroat industry. Now, am I upset with what has been taken from me in the past? YES. Would I like it back? Absolutely! The union is also run by management which can destroy the union and almost did. So is one better than the other? I don't know. What I do know is that I have a job and it is a decent paying job.
 
bigfoot077 said:
Security is my most important concern. I like to know that the job I have today is going to be there tomorrow. Nothing is for sure and I know that but, what I have seen from unions in the past, that is less of a for sure thing that non union.

I know that management is what ruins companies but it is also greed. I want my company to be able to survive in this cutthroat industry. Now, am I upset with what has been taken from me in the past? YES. Would I like it back? Absolutely! The union is also run by management which can destroy the union and almost did. So is one better than the other? I don't know. What I do know is that I have a job and it is a decent paying job.
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You make some good points. One thing I do know for sure is our trade doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell if we can't all get on the same page and stand together. Any company, union or not, relies on good decisions from management. We all have witnessed some very poor choices in the last few years and I am speaking directly of the company I work for. Had it not been for the IBT stepping in and calling the lenders out that were just about to turn off our lights, 32,000 hard working men and women would have been unemployed. Some tough choices were made and the rank and file sacrificed a great deal. I for one do not doubt the security of the Conway employees jobs. All of us have given back way to much lately and I do not think our trade will recover if we all don't put a stop to it now. There is a great opportunity here to right the wrongs and raise our trade back to where it should be. We were the middle class once and are barely holding on now.
 
yrc-atm said:
Nothing about yrc is making history. Unless you call the record number of consecutive quarters without a profit making history.
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You are quite wrong. No other company that has been given concessions by the rank and file to help them survive have been around this long. A record number of consecutive quarters without a profit that have seen an improvement in the loss. They are still in deep **** but still kicking.
 
222lifer said:
You make some good points. One thing I do know for sure is our trade doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell if we can't all get on the same page and stand together. Any company, union or not, relies on good decisions from management. We all have witnessed some very poor choices in the last few years and I am speaking directly of the company I work for. Had it not been for the IBT stepping in and calling the lenders out that were just about to turn off our lights, 32,000 hard working men and women would have been unemployed. Some tough choices were made and the rank and file sacrificed a great deal. I for one do not doubt the security of the Conway employees jobs. All of us have given back way to much lately and I do not think our trade will recover if we all don't put a stop to it now. There is a great opportunity here to right the wrongs and raise our trade back to where it should be. We were the middle class once and are barely holding on now.
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I agree with you about we have had way to much taken in the past. It is time for that to stop. With that being said, you poor YRC guys have been beaten on for quite some time. I for one can not believe that the company is still around. They have taken from you guys over and over and why? Poor management. Maybe a little greed by the unions involved too. All I know is that everyone else is making mistakes and you YRC guys are paying for it. I am glad you still have your job but you know everyday that goes by, you have to wonder are you guys going to show up one day and have the gates be locked? That is not the way I want to live my life. Right now I work for a stable company and I am sure that I have a job tomorrow. Is it the greatest place to work? No but, as far as I am concerned, you YRC guys are worse off right now. I like stable. I avoid volatile. I am not against the union but right now, I don't think it is a good fit for me.

And thank you lifer for having a decent conversation with me. Lots of these guys, if you disagree with them, they go off on you. I wish YRC employees the best and good luck.
 
I dont know who this doug guy is but if any are making over $350,000/yr. I do think its too much. Its trucking and all those millions extra coulf be used for equiptment and maintansnce and the help. This system of giving guys millio.s in one year is BS. Its way outt of line and it is screwing up capitalism imo. What svrews up the system more? When one of these guys takes a hit? Or when all of us do?
When all of us do. Join the union to put an end to the nonsense. They can live fine with $300,000.


xcodoug said:
Now wait let me get this straight you're upset at people with a better education and more drive then yourself making more money right? And you don't call that socialism? I do, just like liberals lets take from those who do and give to those who don't.
You speak of Doug Stotlar like he doesn't deserve what he works for, or earned by spending more time learning and working harder then others, do you know where he started? Or do you care, would you not want those opportunities for your children or grandchildren? For 23 years I have been with Conway and there as always been chances to move up for me and others around me, I choose to stay a DSR now a DT, but I never want to take away those chances for my children and grandchildren to excel and go farther in live if they wish, so take your socialism somewhere else we don't want it here
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slavenomore said:
I dont know who this doug guy is but if any are making over $350,000/yr. I do think its too much. Its trucking and all those millions extra coulf be used for equiptment and maintansnce and the help. This system of giving guys millio.s in one year is BS. Its way outt of line and it is screwing up capitalism imo. What svrews up the system more? When one of these guys takes a hit? Or when all of us do? When all of us do. Join the union to put an end to the nonsense. They can live fine with $300,000.
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but who are you to decide that he should only get 300.000? What your suggesting is income redistribution, or hardcore socialism. If that's in his contract, then it's his. Good for him for getting a big chunk.
 
bigfoot077 said:
I agree with you about we have had way to much taken in the past. It is time for that to stop. With that being said, you poor YRC guys have been beaten on for quite some time. I for one can not believe that the company is still around. They have taken from you guys over and over and why? Poor management. Maybe a little greed by the unions involved too. All I know is that everyone else is making mistakes and you YRC guys are paying for it. I am glad you still have your job but you know everyday that goes by, you have to wonder are you guys going to show up one day and have the gates be locked? That is not the way I want to live my life. Right now I work for a stable company and I am sure that I have a job tomorrow. Is it the greatest place to work? No but, as far as I am concerned, you YRC guys are worse off right now. I like stable. I avoid volatile. I am not against the union but right now, I don't think it is a good fit for me.

And thank you lifer for having a decent conversation with me. Lots of these guys, if you disagree with them, they go off on you. I wish YRC employees the best and good luck.
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You're welcome. One thing I would like to add is that there is no quit in the YRC Teamster's. No doubt the dedication and professional attitudes played a huge role in maintaining many accounts. You hear a lot of griping but the majority managed to satisfy our customers regardless of how bad our inept management screwed things up. In other words, they put the issues aside.

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upnorth said:
but who are you to decide that he should only get 300.000? What your suggesting is income redistribution, or hardcore socialism. If that's in his contract, then it's his. Good for him for getting a big chunk.
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I did that on purpose.
I've read comments about how burger flippers not being worth what they want.
Drivers being told "quit". Take the crumbs you're thrown.


That too is redristribution of wealth.
From bottom too top.
Deregulation was gov redistriburmtion from unions too corps.
You get your stability and what you think your worth through legal contract like him
Not the market.


Bankers use contracts for your most importsnt stuff...mortgages etc


Your job should have that too.
There has been a great govt redistribution of wealth from us to them over the years. Goverment laws and policies have played roles

As the side of theWall St. and banks increases power you work harder for less.
When unions held power you worked less for more.

The times when unions held power was a unified, morally good country.

Now its all about "me".
And its no good and divided.
 
slavenomore said:
I dont know who this doug guy is but if any are making over $350,000/yr. I do think its too much. Its trucking and all those millions extra coulf be used for equiptment and maintansnce and the help. This system of giving guys millio.s in one year is BS. Its way outt of line and it is screwing up capitalism imo. What svrews up the system more? When one of these guys takes a hit? Or when all of us do?
When all of us do. Join the union to put an end to the nonsense. They can live fine with $300,000.
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You wouldn't do his job for $300K. And he wouldn't either. They make that much because they can.
 
Getoverit said:
And he would definitely wouldn't do your job for what you do it for, if nothing else just for the working conditions that he has bestowed upon you!!!
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Dougie worked here at my terminal. He did the job. For a lot less than he or I make now.

Anything positive to add ?
 
highspeeds said:
A knock out blow would be a couple hundred terminals going union. There is one. And the vote was 55-53. Not all that impressed.
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So what was the vote? 54-49, 55-53, everybody has a different number. The fact remains the majority it appears were sick of being treated like Crap!
 
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