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It seems that every chance they get ABF mentions the pension fund. What do you think that she means by this?

"With less than a year left before the expiration of ABF's labor agreement, we feel our conservative financial position is appropriate at this time. Our liquidity and financial situation puts us in an excellent position to take advantage of opportunities that might arise in contract negotiations, including solutions to deal with the underfunded, multiemployer pension plan." Judy McReynolds, Arkansas Best chief financial officer.


Arkansas Best Corp. went from zero to 19 cents in just one quarter to beat the earnings estimate of Stephens Inc., but market challenges loom in future quarters.

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It's needless posturing/light intimidation so to speak. I know that after the 1994 strike Yellow took every opportunity to mention "the strike that the Teamsters waged against us" in blaming us for their every problem. I wouldn't worry too much about it. That's what she wants you to do.
 
Pension

The companies that are under the National Master Freight Agreement want out of their obligation to the pension funds & set up their own employee 401K.
 
My main questions are.............

It seems that every chance they get ABF mentions the pension fund. What do you think that she means by this?

"With less than a year left before the expiration of ABF's labor agreement, we feel our conservative financial position is appropriate at this time. Our liquidity and financial situation puts us in an excellent position to take advantage of opportunities that might arise in contract negotiations, including solutions to deal with the underfunded, multiemployer pension plan." Judy McReynolds, Arkansas Best chief financial officer.


Is the pension fund underfunded?

And if it is what is the union doing about it?

If it is underfunded it seems to me the most logical solution would be to bring in more dues paying members, but when was the last time the union had an aggressive organizing campaign to organize a major trucking company?
 
Actually, it is just over 50% funded right now. Central States cut a deal with the IRS last year to spread the stock market losses in the early 2000's over a longer period of time, otherwise it would be less than 50% funded.

The pension fund is a huge mess! Too many retired members receiving benefits vs. the number of active workers paying in.
 
Central States Pension Plan

For the year 2005 ( latest info i have) The value of plan assets, after subtracting liabilities of the plan, was $19,296,329,410 as of Dec. 31, 2005, compared to $18,717,532,696 as of Jan. 1. 2005. During the plan year the plan experienced an increase in its net assets of $578,796,714. The plan had total income of $3,233,963,875 including employer contributions of $1,278,312,186, employee contributions of $863,609, gaines of $295,239,342 from the sale of assets, and earnings from investments of $1,577,002,484. Mustache Retired Roadway:smilie_132:
 
I thought when I read the Pension fund report..It said 21.? billion in fund ..Acc. more then before the cuts were made a few years ago??I think the companys want members to vote to pull out. Don`t federal laws require company`s that are PROFITABLE to increase payments into funds before they ,the gov.takes over..(only when funds go bankrupt does the gov take over these fuds)..I know the new laws changed a lot of this..They are able to make cuts now on pensions we have already accuried (spelling not good )
 
Is the pension fund underfunded?

And if it is what is the union doing about it?

If it is underfunded it seems to me the most logical solution would be to bring in more dues paying members, but when was the last time the union had an aggressive organizing campaign to organize a major trucking company?
The Board Of Directors of the CSPF is made up of Union and Company. What they've done about it was to make changes in Nov. 2003. Nobody likes the changes but they were necessary.

As far as organizing goes, you can't organize the scared or unwilling. Look around on here and read the posts of a few of the biggest non Union Companies employees. Lots of complaining but no action on their part, not including UPSF. Vitran guys are trying to organize and the Company brings in shills from out of state who help sway the vote to a no majority. A big campaign would cost millions and may or may not succeed.....but the millions would still be gone. What we need is for the non Union Companies to continue to push their employees around and hope like hell that they eventually get sick enough of it that they'll take a chance at becoming Teamsters without believing all of the scare tactics used to thwart today's efforts to organize. The proposed card check law would go a long way toward achieving this.....the Companies wouldn't be able to wage a fear and intimidation campaign against the employees in the days and weeks leading up to an election. Things have been tilted to the Company side for way too long and it shows in the number of Union members today.
 
The Board Of Directors of the CSPF is made up of Union and Company. What they've done about it was to make changes in Nov. 2003. Nobody likes the changes but they were necessary.
Let me start by saying that I do not believe that the Union & the companies will let any of the pension funds fail...I do believe that a solution will be found. It will probably be hard to swallow but it will have to be done.

I have been going to google looking for info on the pension funds & found this interesting. By using Ed Stier as a source of reference it gives credibility to the article.
Teamsters Find Pensions at Risk

In the 1960's and 1970's, the Teamsters' huge Central States pension fund was a wellspring of union corruption. Tens of millions of dollars were loaned to racketeers who used the money to gain control of Las Vegas casinos. Administrative jobs were awarded to favored insiders who paid themselves big fees. A former Teamster president and pension trustee was convicted of trying to bribe a United States senator.
Yet for nearly half a million union members who are expecting the fund to pay for their retirement, those may have been the good old days.

"There never were benefit cuts in the 1970's," said Wayne Seale, 52, a long-haul driver from Houston and one of about 460,000 Teamsters participating in the fund. "We were happy. We were being taken care of."

Starting in the early 1960's, the fund loaned tens of millions of dollars for investments in Las Vegas casinos, including the Desert Inn, Caesars Palace, Stardust, Circus Circus, the Landmark Hotel and the Aladdin Hotel, according to a history by Edwin H. Stier, a former federal prosecutor hired by the union as part of its efforts to clean house.

The loans in those days typically involved a front man who signed the papers and a crime family raking off cash behind the scenes. The loan approval process involved kickbacks, threats and, in at least one case, a kidnapping. By the time Hoffa disappeared in 1975, the Central States pension fund had loaned an estimated $600 million to people connected with organized crime, according to Mr. Stier, who resigned his union appointment in April after questioning the union's ongoing commitment to rooting out corruption.

But many of the loans did serve their intended purpose, making money to pay for Teamsters' retirement benefits. The hotels, casinos and other real estate projects, not all of which were connected to organized crime, were generally profitable, according to Mr. Stier, and before his disappearance Hoffa saw to it that his loans were repaid.

Since 1982, under a consent decree with the federal government, the fund has been run by prominent Wall Street firms and monitored by a federal court and the Labor Department. Money managers promised pension funds big returns, and to get the big returns they began to add riskier assets to pension portfolios than pension funds had used before. Sleepy bond portfolios were livened up with stocks. Venture capital, junk bonds, securities of companies in developing countries and other exotica began to appear in pension funds.

These investments could be risky, but the industry argued that losses, even big losses, in one year did not matter because a pension fund was a long-term proposition; over time, the losses would be recouped by even bigger gains. Buoyant markets reinforced this thinking in the 1990's, even though by then unionized trucking was in deep decline, and the Central States' ratio of active workers to pensioners was shifting perilously.

There have been no more shadowy investments, no more loans to crime bosses.

Yet in these expert hands, the aging fund has fallen into greater financial peril than when James R. Hoffa, who built the Teamsters into a national power, used it as a slush fund.
 
I just listened to bear sterns report....ABF plans on pulling out of the multi-pension funds they talk about it at the end of the call
 
I just listened to bear sterns report....ABF plans on pulling out of the multi-pension funds they talk about it at the end of the call

jughead, I'm not really sure what you heard but there is no way that ABF could just "pull out" because they feel like it.

Do you have a link to the report you heard so we can all hear what was said?
 
Pension Fund Obligation

In the quarterly report,I saw it this week), Davidson addressed the subject in question. He said that two things would have to take place, A. For the Teamsters to approve a pullout, B. For him to write a check for $600 million which is about what ABF's obligation is to the funds.
I guess that Yellow/Roadway's obligation would be around two billion. (Just my estimate), & UPS would be even more.
I think that given the opportunity the companies would bail out. I know that ABF could borrow the funds necessary. UPS also could & would. I don't know how much Yellow/Roadway could borrow given their debt but I think that they would also jump ship in a heart beat.
With the amount that the employers are paying into the funds they could see savings in a few years. Seven or eight years would be my guess is when they would start to see savings.
Of course they would would have to fund their own retirement plan while they were paying on the debt from the present liability.
I'm delaying my retirement until I see what happens. Uncertainty is difficult to deal with.
 
Just a fellow freight-hauler BigR not ABF.Personally if these companies did a decent match I have no problem with a 401K.My plan has made $$ for some time now and if Central states has lost great amounts then why let them mismanage your retirement? I am not very smart and if my choices have made long-term profits then why are'nt the unions bean-counters doing a better job? Get a 401k caculator and figure at a 160.00 a week at say 7% return will net you in 30 years, it is a nice chunk of cash. Now lates say you putting in 160.00 and your company matches say 60.00 of that refigure it at 220.00 That's A Very Nice Piece Of Change. Just my 2 cents I'll leve you BullFrogs alone Safe Trips and Returns to all here..
 
I talked with some union officials today at the food drive about this issue. They spent an hour explaining why companies want out of the fund. They do not want other people taking their money and the companies not being able to do what they want to with the money. Central States is really not in that much of trouble. It is improving every year for the better. They are is much better shape than other multi-employee funds. There is one thing that you guys are not thinking about. If the companies get their way and all of us go under a company 401 k and/or pension, they can pull the plug anytime they feel and there is nothing we could do about it. Do any of you think the company will always take care of you???If it came down to you or the money, which one do you think they will choose? For the past 8 years, laws have been made to hamper multi-employee funds. It will go in cycles between Dem. and Rep. Before you let these companies pull the plug, think about what Fedex and Conway did to their Pensions.... They do not have them anymore. That is exactly what we will have if we vote to let the companies pull out of this fund. Then the fight all of our brothers have been doing for 100 years will be wasted. Just my opinion on this....
 
Actually, it is just over 50% funded right now. Central States cut a deal with the IRS last year to spread the stock market losses in the early 2000's over a longer period of time, otherwise it would be less than 50% funded.

The pension fund is a huge mess! Too many retired members receiving benefits vs. the number of active workers paying in.

It is not the retirees fault it is in a mess for retiring! They made their obligation and the board has not done the right thing in speading out the fund's portfolio and keep most of it in stocks.....when 2001 came...everything went doen the tubes....now they FINNALY deversified the funds portfolio into other areas (bonds, tres. notes, etc) that will bring a much better AND SAFER return. The biggest problem for this mess is the IBT is not organizing enough workers in to the fund. Organizing 10-15 people in a new unit with an employer who cannot and will not pay into CSPF ain't gonna get us anywhere!...THAT is the problem....the retirees have done their part and have fought many more battles to get there then the newbies that have come on in the last 5-10 years!....KK
 
Was just thinking about this and thought I would share this with everyone. I have 28 years credit and until I hired in at Rdwy in 96 I never had more tha 5 years at any one company. Awfull glad my pension did'nt hinge on any of those companies still being in business. Can anybody say Abf, Rdwy, Yell, will be here 10 years from now? Ya you can take 401's with you but I got $$ from that 401 that should be rolled over, no job, and need groceries. Guess what? There went my pension kitty!!! Just another angle for thought:gathering: And I honestly believe that any CEO will spend most of his wakeing hours trying to figure a way into any pension fund that they have control of. Now I admit with money I'm stupid so someone set me strait if I'm way off here:smilie_132:
 
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