I'll offer a different view. In 2007/2008 many smaller terminals were closed over fears of the economic down turn. At the time most of these terminals were quite profitable but we didn't wait to see how they were impacted instead Vitran initiated a preemtive strike. I don't know if this was Gaetz's or Kosovec's plan. The plan backfired, we lost a tremendous number of good employees. We also lost a ton of freight. We no longer could offer the level of service expected by our customers. If you're running a 400 mile P&D route you can't turn around, go back and make pick-ups, it's a one-way trip. We have way too many trailers going out with freight, running too many miles with $4 a gallon diesel and coming back empty. Not every shipper is in a major metro area, 3M is a good example, they have many factories in small rural areas, we used to haul trailer loads of their product, now we only get the scraps from the warehouses we can service. Why would Estes open up a terminal in almost every town that we closed one in? If you could overlay a map of Vitran's terminals with Fed Ex and Con-Way you would see the huge difference in coverage. Vitran has made some poor purchases as well. Sierra West and Milan are tied for worst decision of the decade. In years past when Vitran wanted to expend we hired our own people and chose our own facilities, rather than buying someone's problem. When Vitran and PJAX combined we spent a boatload of money on a new computer system. Why? The LTL400 system was bullet proof and paid for. The tablets are cool but was it something we could afford? My answer is no. That money would have been better spent on repairing equipment so we can get off double secret probation with the Feds. When I started we had old equipment but it was well maintained and you never had to worry about crossing a scale. There is a lot more competition than was 10 or 15 years ago. I don't get to see a lot of bills anymore but the ones I do see are scary. In the early days our goal used to be $95 per pallet, the last bill I saw was $65 per pallet for freight that was moving over 600 miles, I'm sure there is cheaper freight than that in our system. If you're moving freight that cheap your operation better run extremely well. Old Dominion seems to have it figured out. My rant for the day.