how many time you going to hear "ya they can do that " even when you know they cant ?
Yellow | the New Right to Work States & YRCW ?
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depends on the local, and the BA, and the precedent's set by previous teamsters. iirc, if everyone lays down on something for a period of time, and no one contests it, it can be considered lost, depending on the contract language.
I agree with your first part,, completely DISagree with your last. ... I don't see what you're talking about. I see a copout, blaming politicians... In fact, I see Too Much government involvement..
When it comes to this subject I see most of you guys as 'emotional Romulins', itching for a fight. I'm more of a Mr Spock non-emotional Vulcan. Provide a great product and people flock to join. Provide a bad product and people flee. Looking at the IBT the past decade: prior poor planning produced ****-poor results.....
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Sugarfoot, the "I've got mine" attitude will need to be overcome. The conservative rhetoric, that those who struggle to make ends meet in our society are themselves to blame, must be countered with the facts. The corporate greed and economic policies that promote "out sourcing" MUST be addressed through legislation. The fallacy that less government will some how overcome human greed is just that, FALLACY. The undermining of labor unions through "Right to Work" is only one example of the conservative agenda. The rise of the American middle class was a direct result of labor unions, PROMOTED by national policies that were favorable to the growth of unions. The success of unions in raising the standard of living for millions is one of the leading causes of the decline. And now the indifference of too many Americans, to the relevance of unions. is speeding the decline!
Put together s great product and people will flock to it. Put out a poor one and they leave. Economics 101. Government can't overcome that..
But Jimmy, do you think our Politicians do things that make our product look bad to the uninformed ?
The Teamsters Union sadly has been it's own worst enemy too many times and the public perception has suffered. Do you remember when all this was going on? This is just in one area. We have an image problem for sure.
(1) Dorn: Between approximately January 1, 1952 and June 1, 1959, Anthony Provenzano (leader of the Provenzano Group), while an official of Local 560, extorted payoffs from Walter Dorn and his company, Dorn Transport, Inc., in exchange for "labor peace." Anthony Provenzano was subsequently convicted on one count of Hobbs Act extortion under 18 U.S.C. § 1957 for his part in the Dorn labor peace payoffs. App. at 24, 69.
(2) Castellitto: In 1961, Anthony Provenzano recruited Harold Konigsberg and Salvatore Briguglio to kill Anthony Castellitto, who was a popular member of Local 560 and who posed a threat to Anthony Provenzano's control of the union. On June 6, 1961 Konigsberg, Briguglio, Salvatore Sinno, and others, committed the murder. Salvatore Briguglio was killed while under indictment for the Castellitto murder, and on June 21, 1978, Anthony Provenzano was sentenced to life imprisonment for his part in the murder of Castellitto, App. at 24-25, 30, 70-71.
(3) Braun: Between November 30, 1961 and December 12, 1961, Nunzio Provenzano and Salvatore Briguglio attempted to extort labor peace payments (the Braun Payoff Demand case) from the Braun Company in violation of New York Penal Law § 560 and § 1294 (Conspiracy and attempted grand larceny). Nuncio Provenzano and Salvatore Briguglio were convicted and incarcerated for approximately 2-1/2 years in New York. App. at 25-26, 29, 69.
(4) Seatrain: Between December of 1969 and June of 1977, Anthony Provenzano, Stephen Andretta, Thomas Andretta, and Gabriel Briguglio unlawfully received "labor peace" payoffs from Interocean Services, Inc. and Di-Jub Leasing Inc. (Seatrain Labor Peace Payoffs) in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 186(b). Anthony Provenzano and Thomas Andretta each received 20 years imprisonment for their part in the Seatrain payoffs, and Stephen Andretta and Gabriel Briguglio received 10 and 7 years imprisonment, respectively. App. at 22-23, 25, 28, 77.
(5) Romano: Between 1974 and 1977, Anthony Provenzano, aided and abetted by Salvatore Briguglio and Stephen Andretta, received kickbacks in connection with loans made by the union's Passaic and Bergen Funds to Thomas and Frank Romano in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1954. App. at
(6) City-Man: Between January of 1971 and July of 1980, Nunzio Provenzano, Irving Cotler, and other individuals unlawfully received labor peace payoffs (the City-Man payoffs) from Pacific Intermountain Express Company, Mason and Dixon Lines, Inc. T.I.M.E. - DC, Inc., and Helms Express in violation of 28 U.S.C. § 186(b). On May 5, 1981, Nunzio Provenzano was convicted on RICO charges stemming from these City-Man labor peace payoffs and was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. App. at 26, 82-83.
http://mafianj.com/teamsters_560.shtml
No. Read this forum. We do it all by ourselves..
Any outsider reading this forum would run away from unions in absolute terror... We give no reason for a newbie to want to join.
Point taken. True, but, I havn't read any posts on the other LTL Forums that make me want to run over to them either. But I'm not an newbie.
Boy, those were the days ! Mikey Sciarra was the Steward on the Ward job in Totowa, Stanley Jaronko was the Steward at Roadway in Kearny. I had Joe Sheridan as my BA once. Josephine signed and handed me my Union Card.
Newbies used to see nmfa pay at 36 cents while nons were 18. Nmfa had a solid pension and generous vacations. We're all even now, and nons move up the ladder easier without all the guff of oldsters lamenting The Hoffa Days.
I've been a Teamster half my career and have benefitted much. But newbies want nothing to do with our failing system. In 15 years there'll be no private unions. People have choices now. Its not going back to dinosaur days..
But, the equipment is soooo shiny and neeeeewww!!
I worked alongside Stanley's brother Hank. You would never know they were brothers - one a loudmouth buffoon and the other the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. I don't think I have to explain which is which.
You make valid points. but, wouldn't you say the newbie at the nons, has benefited from the Union without even realizing it in terms of wage increases, 401k's, paid vacations and bidding rights, etc. Every time we tried to organize "Big O", Federal Express, Fed-Ex Freight and Conway, they all got raises and work rules language to their benefit. I've had their Employees thank me on the CB.
In your opinion, what will take place on those jobs, should we become Dinosaurs and fall into the pit ?